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@Wildsurvival:

The burden of proof is on you because you're the one making the claims. There is not "actually more proof they do exist". Anecdotal evidence isn'tproof. Any legitimate investigation hasn't returned evidence in favor of ghosts. (Protip: that shit on tv like ghost hunters, or whatever it is, isn't scientific or legitimate).

Most people who believe in ghosts do so just because they've heard anecdotal evidence from others, and then when they experience something they can't readily explain they go "OMGGHOSTS".

@Ayamee:

"Just because you have never experienced something like that, doesn't mean they don't exist."

I never saidor implied that personal experience was the reason I said what I did.

"And please explain me what made my bed shift that way? And why did my cat react that way, like someone was there? explain."

You clearly have a deficit in your understanding of logic, which is a prerequisite for this "argument". I did not make any claims, and as such it is not necessary for me to explain anything. You're the one proposing the existence of ghosts, and so you have a lot of explaining to do. Explain how they exist, where they come from, please. Without resorting to other bullshit: "when ppl died.. they must go somewhere so if they had sadlife they become ghost becuz cant goto heaven :(".

Why did your cat react that way? Seriously? There are numerous possible explanations (e.g. your cat saw a bug on the wall, your cat has vision problems, etc..). Any possible explanation withinthe realm of reality is more likely than ghosts. That claim is extreme, and extremely retarded.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here..

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 12:55 am)

@Wildsurvival:

The burden of proof is on you because you're the one making the claims. There is not "actually more prooftheydoexist". Anecdotal evidenceisn'tproof. Any legitimate investigation hasn't returned evidence in favor of ghosts. (Protip: that shit on tv like ghost hunters, or whatever it is, isn't scientific or legitimate).

Most people who believe in ghosts do so just because they've heard anecdotal evidence from others, and then when they experience something they can't readily explain they go "OMGGHOSTS".

@Ayamee:

"Just because you have never experienced something like that, doesn't mean they don't exist."

I neversaidor implied that personal experience was the reason I said what I did.

"Andpleaseexplainmewhat made my bed shift that way? And why did my cat react that way, like someone was there? explain."

You clearly haveadeficitinyour understanding oflogic,whichisa prerequisite forthis"argument". I did not make any claims, and as such it is not necessary for me to explainanything.You're the one proposing the existence ofghosts, andso you have a lot of explaining to do.Explainhow they exist, where they come from,please.Without resorting toother bullshit: "when ppl died.. they must go somewhere so if they hadsadlife they become ghost becuz cant goto heaven :(".

Why did yourcat react that way? Seriously?There are numerous possible explanations (e.g. your cat saw a bug on the wall, your cat has vision problems, etc..). Any possible explanationwithinthe realm of reality ismore likely than ghosts. That claim is extreme, andextremely retarded.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here..

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Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 12:55 am)

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here..

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ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 12:55 am)

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here..

I know why you're wasting your time. You're a douche with nothing better to do than discredit the beliefs of others because you think that everything can be explained with reason and only reason.

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completely discredit somethingjustbecause its "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demon related movies/storiesarescary.

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Addison posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:26 am)

ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 12:55 am)

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here..

I know why you're wasting your time. You're a douche with nothing better to do than discredit the beliefs of others because you think that everything can be explained with reason and only reason.

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completelydiscreditsomethingjustbecause its "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demonrelatedmovies/storiesarescary.

So, like this one time, I like saw a dinosaur, and then it ate my teddy bear, and then I like, just flipped out and screamed.

Dinosaurs are real. I have proof.

I'd say it's safe to say that anecdotal evidence isn't the best evidence. I prefer scientific :P

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I'll tell you what not to do. Make up some shit just so you get an answer.

real/alive same shit, you got the point.

But what you should do, just deal with it. It's okay not to know why.

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Lol :P

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ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completely discredit something justbecause its "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demon related movies/stories arescary.

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:56 am)

ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completely discredit somethingjustbecause its "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demon related movies/storiesarescary.

Now we're getting on a completely different topic.. faith.

Seeing as people having blind faith in things directly impacts the world in which I live, I think it is my place to judge whether or not that is sound....

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fuck it. I'm not going to get into this right now, I have better things to do. For the record, you haven't even understood what I've said, so that makes you reply inherently stupid.

Enjoy your ignorance.

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We have a lot of electricity problems in our country and and when we tried to use the generator(backup) it wasn't working so we gave it to the shop to fix it.. I was in my room with a candle and this other light thing.. so i went to the other room to talk to my mom.. i saw that she was busy so i came back to my room.. i saw some..thing sitting on my bed.. It was only for a second or so and it just vanished.. i cannot explain what I saw.. but i did see something.

I do not believe in ghosts.. maybe it was hallucination..

Wildsurvival posted: (31st Jul 2011 02:00 am)

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:56 am)

ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completely discreditsomethingjustbecause its "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demon relatedmovies/storiesarescary.

Now we're getting on a completely different topic.. faith.

Seeing as people having blind faith in things directly impacts the world in which I live, I think it is my place to judge whether or not that is sound....

...

fuck it. I'm not going to get into this right now, I have better things to do. For the record, you haven't even understood what I've said, so that makes you reply inherently stupid.

Enjoy your ignorance.

Since when did you get the power to judge us? Your some random troll. Your sir, are ignorant. Not us. Im not relying on completey faith on my judgement. Before i assume ANYTHING, i check for a reasonable explanation. Even if there isnt a reasonable answer i dont just go "OMGZ Must be aghost!!!". 

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 07:15 am)

Wildsurvival posted: (31st Jul 2011 02:00 am)

Arcitex posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:56 am)

ethanmoffat posted: (31st Jul 2011 01:20 am)

Fact is, some people have beliefs based solely on faith and it isn't your place to judge whether or not that is sound. I'm not saying you're not allowed to state your opinion, but you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are if you're willing to completelydiscreditsomethingjustbecauseits "anecdotal evidence". This isn't a courtroom. And if you think you can prove everything only with reason you're sadly mistaken, some things can't be reasoned and can't be proven.

I'm not trying to defend things based only on blind faith either. I think evidence and reason are good.

To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts. I know those TV shows are complete bullshit. Hollywood exaggerates just about everything nowadays, and reality never makes a good enough movie. But I do believe in demons - one of the reasons I think demonrelatedmovies/storiesarescary.

Now we're getting on a completely different topic.. faith.

Seeing as people having blind faith in things directly impacts the world in which I live, I think it is my place to judge whether or not that is sound....

...

fuck it. I'm not going to get into this right now, I have better things to do. For the record, you haven't even understood what I've said, so that makes you reply inherently stupid.

Enjoy your ignorance.

Since when did you get the power to judge us? Your some random troll. Your sir, are ignorant. Not us. Im not relying on completey faith on my judgement. Before i assume ANYTHING, i check for a reasonable explanation. Even if there isnt a reasonable answer i dont just go "OMGZ Mustbeaghost!!!". 

You're still playing into a false dilemma. Even if you check for a reasonable explanation and don't find one, that in no way justifies you in putting it up to ghosts. That's ridiculously naive.

I'm not a troll. I might come off as if I'm just bashing you, and I kind of am, but that doesn't make me a troll. I would try more to explain to you why you're wrong, but seeing as you don't yet have a firm grasp on even the basics of the English language, I'm guessing you're toomentallydeficient to understand.

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I tend to see shadow figures when im half awake and half asleep at midnight it always scares me and just like u lol i stay in bed and dont move a muscle and wait like 50mins till i fall asleep,

Gee thanks alot guys im scared now D=

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eternity posted: (31st Jul 2011 07:40 am)

I tend to see shadow figures when im half awake and half asleep at midnight it always scares me and just like u lol i stay in bed and dont move a muscle and wait like 50mins till i fall asleep,

Gee thanks alot guys im scared now D=

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Wildsurvival posted: (31st Jul 2011 07:41 am)

eternity posted: (31st Jul 2011 07:40 am)

I tend to see shadow figures when im half awake and half asleep at midnight it always scares me and just like u lol i stay in bed and dont move a muscle and wait like 50mins till i fall asleep,

Gee thanks alot guys im scared now D=

Just think about something else, youll forget.

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