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Scott posted: (8th Sep 2010 12:28 am)

Eotards typically have low IQ's. They get excited when they see big numbers (ie. attacking 509734037, 54347309473207420 gold, etc.). The people who actually enjoy playing a game that requires strategy find this absurd and completely retarded. "Features" and "better graphics" don't make serversbetter. The majority of you will consider "pets" to be a feature along with other ignorant stuff like #warp, #hair, etc. They're a nuisance not a feature. The graphics I've seen look like shit for the most part. EO graphics weren't that great to begin with though.

These features you call ignorant can be useful to a degree at times. For instance, if you are creating new hairstyles and need a quick test, but you don't know where a barber is, you could use a command such as #hair or whatever the fuck to test it. Yes, it may be more inefficient that just going to the character creation screen to do it, but it is also faster. For some servers, commands such as #warp are used for simple convenience, just because it would be a pain to go the long way. Or, they could be a placeholder for a better system coming sometime in the future. The point is, people are genuinely interested in EOSERV so that they can see what it's all about. And the experience in coding or graphic design they get from it, however slight, can be a stepping stone to a new level for them. Because of EOSERV, I have seen that I do have some talent when it comes to coding, and that I would like to pursue a career in software engineering.

But now I've gotten offtopic. The point of my post is, no server can be considered shitty in theory. Most servers are created out of boredom, which means they are destined to not go anywhere. But those few servers that are made out of genuine desire to learn, or just to have fun, have a future.

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Here's an idea, instead of debating what makes a shitty server with the majority of the people making them, how about we actually interview people who play them?

Since you guys seem to be so ecstatic about getting players instead of getting creative, I'll ask some of the players from around ExyEOServ what they like about it and why they play it, and study it, and then work harder on whatever 'floats their boat'. Even better, since you're so strongly opinionated about your views, why not create a page that allows people to anonymously post their suggestions and views? based on questions and a form of course.  

I'm pretty sure if we ONLY focused on what attracts our players, we would would be deriving ourselves from what we enjoy. But we would probably attract yet more players, which we're currently not even interested in. In our eyes they're just beta testers.

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Scott, we all can't be like main EO. Graphics and 'features' is what makes a private server unique. Most players are just trying to work with what they have, since they don't have a client. 

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Klutz posted: (8th Sep 2010 12:17 am)

Sacred Phoenix posted: (7th Sep 2010 10:52 pm)

Yea thats how all servers should be, but most server owners dont think like that. Look at main server, it has (had) well over 700+ people before speed came. Why did it get so high? Well because of the fact it was Hard to get items/money/levels. Of course main server was a little bittofarwiththisand takes weeks to level once when you get to a high level.

Most servers work like, its easy to get stuff which is stupid. Sure we all understand their trying to make a server based on hanging out and not about gameplay which is why most servers want or have Pets. Making a challenging server that is hard to get stuff but is a littlemorebetterthenmainserver was what Im trying, and i think some other servers should attempt it.

But as it seems, all eo players care about is.."Omg cool looking armor, and sweet pets is in here, Im playing it for sure" And The few servers that i actually tried that are going with my way of playing dont get many players due to no pets or lack of custom items.

Sure custom items are great but you shouldnt play a server Only because of its items. You should play the server that has been mostly thought of, and have the best story to it. Well atleast thats my opinion, and i know most eo players dont see that.

So what you're saying in short is, your server is better because you haven't got the knowledge or skills to add decent gfx or features, and you have very low rates to compensate for what your server lacks.

Changing settings, now that is a sure fire way to improve a server (sarc). Settings have nothing to do with it lol

edit: sure low exp rates is better than high exp rates by far, because it is too easy to level on some servers. Making monsters strong to compensate the ease of gaining stats is a fair way to make things more exciting, but not better. Tbh, most server owners set out with a plan to makesomethingbetter of EO to please themselves and gain fans along the way. If we all just wanted normal eo clients and features, we would have stayed on main (duh). So if you can't keep up, shh. lol.

What I actually wish is that, people start looking at the original goal. It's not a competition to see how many players you can get, genuinely people are interested in changing EO to suit their liking, which if you're good at it or have good ideas, is very fun. I think most server owners haveforgotten this.

No. What im saying is that most eo players dont even look for how thought out the server is, and all they care for is the stupid armors. And i bet most servers steal their artwork from another server (besides main of course) which is why its dumb to join a server only because of their artwork and most of their artwork is either stolen, shitty or it was released on here.

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Only problem is, many players don't trust the staff here (EOHAX). If that wasn't the case I'm sure Sausage would host his own server. 

@ Scott: BTW Epic -1 d00d, I'm gonna cry every night for the rest of my life. If you're so damn persistent about the rules, rate your self for helping drive this off topic.

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Nah, I doubt I could even take credit for 1/8 of any releases. While it is true that I have had some things working for quite a while and helped a lot of people with making releases that you have seen here, I have had my share of help and people I have worked with to make a lot possible within EOSERV. I have had spells working for over a year, and was the first to utilize them via the function keys, but they were buggy for a while. Along the way, I have had help here in there from Addison and Kenobi13(Bart) to help bring everything together. Hopefully soon everyone will be able to enjoy the work we have put into finishing up the emulation. As far as Scott goes, he is very fair when it comes to this forum and does an excellent job in saving this forum from turning into a forum junkie cesspool as many other forums have become. While he does not help directly with coding or such, he stays involved with the community and answers as many posts as he has knowledge to help with. Have you ever seen his post count?

I can see what you mean with the players dont trust the staff because of eohax. Although players trust other players with downloading their client. I would rather trust the staff here then trust some random person i dont know with downloading. 

With the new release that the staff has been working on, maybe that will at least make the other servers better. Knowing about the release is why im not working on mine right now.

And even though scott is not interested in eo, doesent mean he cant help with all the programs that people have trouble with. He knows a lot about programs/computers and he's helped a lot of people already.

sorry if that went sort of off-topic.

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Sacred Phoenix posted: (8th Sep 2010 04:52 am)

sorry if that went sort of off-topic.

No not at all, but it would seem ominous that after however many years EO has been open, the eoserv.net staff would then go and spend all this time... just to... make the same thing. This coming from the guy many players hate, to be honest it would have to be something totally within any of theadmins capabilities, if it were even to catch 20 players at all, because anybody hosting a server here could possibly do the same damn thing as copy the original server, the data's all there already. It's nothing spectacular.

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Sacred Phoenix posted: (8th Sep 2010 04:52 am)

I can see what you mean with the players dont trust the staff because of eohax. Although players trust other players with downloading their client. I would rather trust the staff here then trust some random person i dont know with downloading. 

With the new release that the staff has been working on, maybe that will at least make the other servers better. Knowing about the release is why im not working on mine right now.

And even though scott is not interested in eo, doesent mean he cant help with all the programs that people have trouble with. He knows a lot about programs/computers and he's helped a lot of people already.

sorry if that went sort of off-topic.

The new release you speak of will hopefully make servers better as it doesn't contain any of the "shitty" stuff that I've spoke off. It has everything that EO main has (or almost?). Also, I'm completely against malicious programs so anything on there that's bad will get removed as soon as we're aware.

i agree and disagree at the same time servers shouldnt be looked on by features and armours and crap like standing there and hitting nothing to get like fishing and harvesting but a server with no updates is bad as well it should be rated with a bit of new stuff like armours and stuff and by the people that are actually dedicated to making a cool server and admins that actually listen to u and help u thats my help corrected my spelling mistakes my keyboard and typing sucks

I sort of look at EOSERV and everything as essentially an open source Iso-engine, since alot really can be changed and essentially become an entirely different game. Once theres a released custom client there really is no reason to even think of it as EO. If everything is changeable and ready for people to slice open and look at exactly what to change to do things, the entire GUI can be changed.

I was making a server called Valor with a few others, which was almost all 100% custom graphics, it wasen't really noticably EO's client for the most. We also used a different type of currency system and focused more on crafting than anything else. Kinda sucks we closed it.

What draws players though is the aesthetics of a game. I know I wouldnt play another EO main replica.

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Mattâ„¢ posted: (23rd Sep 2010 04:01 pm)

I sort of look at EOSERV and everything as essentially an open source Iso-engine, since alot really can be changed and essentially become an entirely different game. Once theres a released custom client there really is no reason to even think of it as EO. If everything is changeable and ready forpeople to slice open and look at exactly what to change to do things, the entire GUI can be changed.

I was making a server called Valor with a few others, which was almost all 100% custom graphics, it wasen't really noticably EO's client for the most. We also used a different type of currency system and focused more on crafting than anything else. Kinda sucks we closed it.

What draws players though is the aesthetics of a game. I know I wouldnt play another EO main replica.

"I sort of look at EOSERV and everything as essentially an open source Iso-engine" How is that an ISO-Engine? It's a server emulator :P

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