Forum :: Lounge :: Question about the copyright issue with pubfiles.

About the illegal copyright issue with using EO's Pub files.

Isn't it okay if you give the creators credit for using them? We aren't selling them either, so does this mean it's still illegal?

Here is the disclaimer as it reads on the Endless Online website:

 

If you don't get it still, you should get permission from Vult-r himself before using any portion of the EO client as a bundled work with your graphics/sounds, and because you have credited the author does not give you the right to distribute the work. Think of it as opening your own Burger Place and selling "McDonald's Big Macs". Crediting the source does not allow you to use an intellectual property any way you would like.  

It doesn't matter if you "credit" them or if you are making money from them, It's still illegal.

People just usually give credit if they use someone elses work, they still get the permission to use it and make money off of it.

If you arent selling them then it shouldn't be an issue, correct?

Doesn't this mean FE is being illegal?

If you want to get technical, all EO servers are illegal except the official one due to the fact that no matter how different the client is, they still use the coding Vult-r made for the client.

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Syran posted: (3rd Sep 2010 12:04 am)

If you want to get technical, all EO servers are illegal except the official one due to the fact that no matter how different the client is, they still use the coding Vult-r made for the client.

Servers don't use the client, the users that log in to them do. There is nothing illegal about private server providing you have permission to use all the material your server uses.

Thinking that an EO server is illegal because of the client players use is like thinking websites are illegal because people can browse them from a pirated operating system.

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Sordie posted: (3rd Sep 2010 12:13 am)

Syran posted: (3rd Sep 2010 12:04 am)

If you want to get technical, all EO servers are illegal except the official one due to the fact that no matter how different the client is, they still use the coding Vult-r made for the client.

Servers don't use the client, the users that log in to them do. There is nothing illegal about private server providing you have permission to use all the material your server uses.

Thinking that a server is illegal because of the client it uses is like thinking websites are illegal because people can browse them from a pirated operating system.

That is true, I suppose.

But if the client is distributed in any way that is hosted by the server in question, wouldn't that constitute illegality on the part of the server?

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Syran posted: (3rd Sep 2010 12:14 am)

That is true, I suppose.

But if the client is distributed in any way that is hosted by the server in question, wouldn't that constitute illegality on the part of the server?

True. If the server owners are distributing the client without permission (modified or otherwise) they are breaking the law. If you want to use custom graphics then create your own .egf files and distribute them, and only them.

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So I was right. Selling game items for real money using EO graphics (based off of the main client's graphics) is illegal?

Subrosia posted: (3rd Sep 2010 12:21 am)

So I was right. Selling game items for real money using EO graphics (based off of the main client's graphics) is illegal?

No. It isn't illegal unless there's a download involved that contains copyright files.

Mind you, Vult-r, himself, would need to send take down notices/file law suits regarding this. Just a random person can't take action.

Actually this is one gray area that could certainly stir a stink. While Sausage has given permission to use his software freely, the clients that must connect to it are definately held under copyright. If you as a server operator require your players to connect to your network using software that is held under copyright by a non-profit company for monetary gain, you are committing a crime, and best of all... that will get Vult-r's attention and possibly would cause him to take action against you as well as reporting your illegal activities to your ISP. Vult-r has told me several times that he made Endless as a hobby for people to enjoy without charge. The last addition to EO he did was the "Hall of Pain" map. The real reason that map was added was to deter players from buying/selling costumed accounts for money. Vult-r and I had this discussion and within two weeks the "Hall of Pain" was done. I wouldn't want to test pissing Vult off if I was anyone with a server because up to this point he has been EXTREMELY nice about the whole private server thing. He could cause a lot of problems for a lot of server operators if he wanted to.

That's true he's extremely nice about the private servers but maybe he shouldn't

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