Forum :: Game Development :: New Endless Online Game

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 07:52 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:28 am)

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:25 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:21 am)

this looks/sounds dumb as fuck. all of this effort on a clone. listen to stava.

Where's you and Stavas server? Oh, that's right. 

i never made a server you fucking moron. either way, what does that have to do with anything?

WHERE'S YOUR SERVER HURRDURR??? do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

Exactly, shut your stupid ass up and do something productive or get lost. Being negative and shit while you've did nothing but make a few pixels? 

Go back into forum lurking you retard.

As far as I'm aware, even those ''few pixels'' is still more than you've ever done. Don't be hypocritical.

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Nurd posted: (22nd Feb 2016, 01:47 pm)

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 07:52 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:28 am)

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:25 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:21 am)

this looks/sounds dumb as fuck. all of this effort on a clone. listen to stava.

Where's you and Stavas server? Oh, that's right. 

i never made a server you fucking moron. either way, what does that have to do with anything?

WHERE'S YOUR SERVER HURRDURR??? do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

Exactly, shut your stupid ass up and do something productive or get lost. Being negative and shit while you've did nothing but make a few pixels? 

Go back into forum lurking you retard.

As far as I'm aware, even those ''few pixels'' is still more than you've ever done. Don't be hypocritical.

Was anyone even talking to you? Take Hazes dick out of your mouth lil bitch.

And before you step up to grown folks, make sure you use proper grammar. 

@Mouse: I'm telling him to be productive because he's forum lurking. He logs on to bash this guy's idea and gets off like he's a God or something. He's been irrelevant for years. He ain't shit. 

As far as me being productive goes, you will see in due time.

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Redivivusnickos posted: (23rd Feb 2016, 02:22 am)

Nurd posted: (22nd Feb 2016, 01:47 pm)

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 07:52 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:28 am)

Redivivusnickos posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:25 am)

Haze posted: (20th Feb 2016, 02:21 am)

this looks/sounds dumb as fuck. all of this effort on a clone. listen to stava.

Where's you and Stavas server? Oh, that's right. 

i never made a server you fucking moron. either way, what does that have to do with anything?

WHERE'S YOUR SERVER HURRDURR??? do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

Exactly, shut your stupid ass up and do something productive or get lost. Being negative and shit while you've did nothing but make a few pixels? 

Go back into forum lurking you retard.

As far as I'm aware, even those ''few pixels'' is still more than you've ever done. Don't be hypocritical.

Was anyone even talking to you? Take Hazes dick out of your mouth lil bitch.

And before you step up to grown folks, make sure you use proper grammar. 

@Mouse: I'm telling him to be productive because he's forum lurking. He logs on to bash this guy's idea and gets off like he's a God or something. He's been irrelevant for years. He ain't shit. 

As far as me being productive goes, you will see in due time.

you sound so salty. if anything you're the one with my dick in his mouth, keep giving me attention.
talking about "grown folks" lmfaooo. and i have a god complex??? ok.

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perfect posted: (18th Feb 2016, 01:31 am)

I'm with Misca on this.  Graphics similar to age of empires just doesn't seem to fit the type of game.  You could always beef up the graphics a little bit but I've always liked how simple and cartoonish EO looks.

If you're going with the age of empires graphics, you're better off just to create a completely new game.

But don't let me discourage you, if this is the type of game you want to make, and it's what YOU would play, keep developing it.  Theirs been to many projects started, that have failed quickly, i wouldn't mind actually seeing one that gets completely finished.

I've also considered a 3D version of EO but i've thought it of as more of a cartooney version.  I guess this picture kind of demonstrates what i mean (obviously some things would be changed from the picture, but this is the closest i can find that matches what my idea was like).



EDIT: EO in first-person could be an interesting concept.  Would give EO an entirely different approach.  Maybe one day when i find the time ;P 

That's a perfect example! It kinda reminds me of EO but has barely anything in common with it. This proves that it is not necessary to remake all of the EO's designs to make a game that catches the "EO feel", and making a game without stolen designs will definitely be more appreciated by new players. Other than that, I'm sure with little effort the author could make a better game than what EO is.

The graphics of your example are really awesome, it would be great if this project had something similar. But I imagine the quality will be waaaay worse considering they're not paying for graphics. And I dunno how hard it is to find a free 3D artist, but it must be extra hard to find a 3D artist who would be willing to infringe copyright laws for free - that is if remaking EO's graphics is illegal (I figure it must be).

Oh I love the FPS idea, I imagine it like Wolf 3D/DoomI/II type of game! Would be cool exploring areas similar to skeleton crypt (bone spider area) in FPS mode!

Hey Haze :D

Lol Redivivusnickos considers this project a Private Server.. And he is some support, eh.. :((((

stava posted: (24th Feb 2016, 09:32 pm)

And I dunno how hard it is to find a free 3D artist, but it must be extra hard to find a 3D artist who would be willing to infringe copyright laws for free - that is if remaking EO's graphics is illegal (I figure it must be).

20 minutes of reading about derivative and transformative works later, I think you're right. 

I suppose it'd be kinda like fanart, probably illegal, but as long as it's not a direct copy and you're not selling it it's unlikely you'll be getting a cease and desist.

That said, I don't see how this is different from the code equivalent - creating a clone of a game without using any of the original source. In both cases I would think it would count as it's own work, rather than a derivative. The internet says it's fine for code, but not for art. I can see how it would violate trademarks, but not copyright. What am I missing?

lewis999 posted: (24th Feb 2016, 10:07 pm)

stava posted: (24th Feb 2016, 09:32 pm)

And I dunno how hard it is to find a free 3D artist, but it must be extra hard to find a 3D artist who would be willing to infringe copyright laws for free - that is if remaking EO's graphics is illegal (I figure it must be).

20 minutes of reading about derivative and transformative works later, I think you're right. 

I suppose it'd be kinda like fanart, probably illegal, but as long as it's not a direct copy and you're not selling it it's unlikely you'll be getting a cease and desist.

It also effects the player's impression, it's a let down, and people who forgive it on that one are less likely to forgive on upcoming let downs, which in my experience these kind of projects surely have coming. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe as an artist I have higher expectations regarding these things than others.

I guess the project would probably have no issues with the stolen work (since Vult-r wouldn't care), but I personally wouldn't dare to chance that with this much effort.

But yeah, I'm just throwing some of my thoughts here.. Since I give this critique with hopes of seeing this project succeed, but from what I understand the author is not aiming for success.

 if this is really happening i would play no matter what it looked like. Still play my n64 alot also play my xbox one.. Gameplay>graphics

you can also upgrade and downgrade the graphics whenever you please, i would suggest running open test for solely for the purpose of seeing whether or no people can stand the graphics if it is that big of a deal
 

I think the most important and begining step to initially start with is the chat system because with out a good chat system no matter how cute or how many elements you add into the game with out an easy to use social system it would be like building a brick building with a Styrofoam foundation it would crumble under its own weight. 

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As someone who has been around this community for a decent amount of time, and even before this account was created; I agree with Nurd. As someone who has had and presented many failed projects on here relative to EO, I really don't see any hope for this project. Although, I'm curious to see how far you will go with this. Good luck, But I advise you to start fresh. It would be cool to have some EO easter eggs in the game, as all EO has become for all of us is nostalgia.  

Dill,

How about we wait until the project is actually released before we say there is no hope for it? You have no clue how the game play is going to be and how the staff is going to be. Without that knowledge and just a few screenshots I think you all are jumping the gun a little early to make these accusations. There's no hope for your project to be successful because oh, lets see, you don't have one. As a matter of fact I don't remember you even having a project related to EO, maybe you failed at advertising? or your website didn't have the appropriate SEO, either way, you're jumping the gun here.

Xsepx I see where you are coming from, and I could be jumping the gun. I just don't want to get my hopes up. I mean, I do believe in this, but I don't think he is going the logical route. I don't see why he would be creating a game just for people who have played EO, because there is only a few of us left. Just making a 3D EO, with non-payed development, and art/gameplay that probably won't be of quality to draw new players in who haven't played EO, which i'm assuming is his goal to bring back the community. If he really wants to put work into this and will do a good job at it, then i'm all for it. 

xsepx posted: (11th Mar 2016, 07:16 pm)

Dill,

How about we wait until the project is actually released before we say there is no hope for it? You have no clue how the game play is going to be and how the staff is going to be. Without that knowledge and just a few screenshots I think you all are jumping the gun a little early to make these accusations. There's no hope for your project to be successful because oh, lets see, you don't have one. As a matter of fact I don't remember you even having a project related to EO, maybe you failed at advertising? or your website didn't have the appropriate SEO, either way, you're jumping the gun here.

THANK YOU. I've been saying this for the longest. All of these people are hating because they're servers were shit. Jealousy is a bitch.

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Redivivusnickos posted: (12th Mar 2016, 05:51 pm)

xsepx posted: (11th Mar 2016, 07:16 pm)

Dill,

How about we wait until the project is actually released before we say there is no hope for it? You have no clue how the game play is going to be and how the staff is going to be. Without that knowledge and just a few screenshots I think you all are jumping the gun a little early to make these accusations. There's no hope for your project to be successful because oh, lets see, you don't have one. As a matter of fact I don't remember you even having a project related to EO, maybe you failed at advertising? or your website didn't have the appropriate SEO, either way, you're jumping the gun here.

THANK YOU. I've been saying this for the longest. All of these people are hating because they're servers were shit. Jealousy is a bitch.

So I guess the input of some "successful" server owners on this very topic is Invalid Red?

stava posted: (11th Feb 2016, 11:06 am)

I really don't understand this whole "let's remake EO" idea anymore.. Majority of people who played EO and who you are attempting to recreate it for have quit EO and will never come back, so what is your target audience? Is it EO players or new players? I mean, you are naming the game "Endless Online Reborn", you seem to be recreating all of the designs of the original game.. I imagine these things will be repulsive for a new player, seeing as you couldn't think of your original ideas and concepts, couldn't think of your own name for the game, couldn't think of your own logo, why would they play a clone instead of the original? What happens when you finish recreating it, will you wait for EO's update to add new content? 

Why not just make your own game instead, build your own community - like EO has. I don't see EO as exact clone of Dark Ages, but I see Dark Ages as inspiration for EO. Why don't you just take inspiration from EO, though at this day and age it's a terrible inspiration, but instead of placing buildings in Aveon the same way they're placed in Aeven, make your own design for a town but keep like.. the theatre house idea from EO (I dunno). 

But hey I could be wrong, seeing as some recent projects that are basically high-res version of some old games, seem to be really successful, maybe this actually is the best idea. I just know even as a ex-EO player, I won't be trying it out. I wish all the best for your project however!

Apollo posted: (24th Jan 2016, 12:05 am)
Sounds like he paid for a Realm Crafter license. About $200 bucks and you can have a basic set of out of box mmorpg resources that you will need a pro 3d model designer to add content too. No one from this community will make anything EO 3d that will be worth a shit. I would however recommend Fantasy Life for 3DS. Up to 4 players online, and it feels like Endless a bit (even has devil costumes :)).

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Took the words right out of my mouth Misca.

Misca posted: (12th Mar 2016, 07:06 pm)

Redivivusnickos posted: (12th Mar 2016, 05:51 pm)

xsepx posted: (11th Mar 2016, 07:16 pm)

Dill,

How about we wait until the project is actually released before we say there is no hope for it? You have no clue how the game play is going to be and how the staff is going to be. Without that knowledge and just a few screenshots I think you all are jumping the gun a little early to make these accusations. There's no hope for your project to be successful because oh, lets see, you don't have one. As a matter of fact I don't remember you even having a project related to EO, maybe you failed at advertising? or your website didn't have the appropriate SEO, either way, you're jumping the gun here.

THANK YOU. I've been saying this for the longest. All of these people are hating because they're servers were shit. Jealousy is a bitch.

So I guess the input of some "successful" server owners on this very topic is Invalid Red?

stava posted: (11th Feb 2016, 11:06 am)

I really don't understand this whole "let's remake EO" idea anymore.. Majority of people who played EO and who you are attempting to recreate it for have quit EO and will never come back, so what is your target audience? Is it EO players or new players? I mean, you are naming the game "Endless Online Reborn", you seem to be recreating all of the designs of the original game.. I imagine these things will be repulsive for a new player, seeing as you couldn't think of your original ideas and concepts, couldn't think of your own name for the game, couldn't think of your own logo, why would they play a clone instead of the original? What happens when you finish recreating it, will you wait for EO's update to add new content? 

Why not just make your own game instead, build your own community - like EO has. I don't see EO as exact clone of Dark Ages, but I see Dark Ages as inspiration for EO. Why don't you just take inspiration from EO, though at this day and age it's a terrible inspiration, but instead of placing buildings in Aveon the same way they're placed in Aeven, make your own design for a town but keep like.. the theatre house idea from EO (I dunno). 

But hey I could be wrong, seeing as some recent projects that are basically high-res version of some old games, seem to be really successful, maybe this actually is the best idea. I just know even as a ex-EO player, I won't be trying it out. I wish all the best for your project however!

Apollo posted: (24th Jan 2016, 12:05 am)
Sounds like he paid for a Realm Crafter license. About $200 bucks and you can have a basic set of out of box mmorpg resources that you will need a pro 3d model designer to add content too. No one from this community will make anything EO 3d that will be worth a shit. I would however recommend Fantasy Life for 3DS. Up to 4 players online, and it feels like Endless a bit (even has devil costumes :)).

The only one who has the right to be negative on this post is Apollo because his server is still up. If your shit is down then you should have no negative input. 

Then the failed servers owners go on to say that his idea isnt good and that it wont attract any players. If he actually did listen to your ideas, his server would be down and out like yours. like xsepx put it, don't knock something down if you don't have your shit together.

Anything else you would like to add because I can keep this shit going mate.

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