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I am pretty sure using Scar Divi would be allowed, assuming you used it strictly according to the rules.
I'd like you to respond please Sausage, when you get the chance!

First off, this is meant to be an interactive script/form, meaning you don't use it to afk.. You use it while actually playing, to do useful things within the stated rules.
This does not help you bot (cheat), or do anything a normal player would not be able to do themselves with strictly the EO Client.

I wanted to make a Scar Script/Form (Completely within the rules) that allowed you to do many useful things while on the Endless Client/EO Main Clone.
Basically some things I wanted to do that I would like to make sure are approved first, are listed below.

-Emote Keys (Mac Users) Since mac users can't use emote keys with this you can send all emotes with (shift)+(#1-9)  keys

-Custom Sounds/map music (Basically an option to use the default "Improved" sounds/ map music I add, or for users to use their own custom sounds/ map music.
(Examples- Attack sound, Heal Sound, variouse other sounds.. Map music is self explanatory.

-Store Useful stats in a display box while connected, like: Total Kills, Exp Gained, Total Disconnections, ect. Basically to only log useful info while actually playing.

-Store useful EO Resources/ Links(Basically an area within the Script Form that contains tons of information/ links to everything related to Endless Online.
(Example; EO Info/ Guides/Resources, Eoserv Creation Guides/Resources. This will be a massive list of everything related to EO essentially, in one neat area.

-Auto Talk (Public, Global, ect) Auto send a message (30 sec- 1min minimum between each message?
(I would hope you'd allow this assuming it follows the rules you've stated)  *Any player with just the eo client could send messages faster than this script*

Those are some of the main things this script/Form would do/contain, that I would like to and hope to have approved. I'm hoping you will understand everything I have stated is very reasonable, and within the rules. I'll leave it at that for now and wait for your response to this, thanks.

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This sounds kind of like what EO.Addons was intended for. I think Sordie planned on releasing an SDK but never got around to it (or chose not to).

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class EOSERV {
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Open source EO Client: https://github.com/ethanmoffat/EndlessClient
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The auto talk is the only thing I think anyone would have a issue with... even if it waits it's still spam.

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kodyt posted: (25th Aug 2015, 07:09 am)

The auto talk is the only thing I think anyone would have a issue with... even if it waits it's still spam.

I get exactly what you mean, but if you consider it, the EO Client (Chat Flood) easily allows a player to send more than 1 message per 30 seconds. This script/form is essentially making it much easier to send messages without having to sit there repeating the same thing "Selling this", for ever, ect.  It's just a lot more convienent in my opinion and doesn't give you an advantage in any way either than having to type less. 

Edit- It shouldn't be considered spam, because the client enforces the amount of messages that can be sent before you're restricted from typing again. If you surpass that, then it would be considered spam. 

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Eoplugins should be able to handle all of the things you have in mind here

All of this is expectable apart from the auto-talk. I consider that to be nothing but spam. There is absolutely no legit reason for a logged in character to say anything but that expressed by the player through way of typing.

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shayne posted: (25th Aug 2015, 07:39 am)

kodyt posted: (25th Aug 2015, 07:09 am)

The auto talk is the only thing I think anyone would have a issue with... even if it waits it's still spam.

I get exactly what you mean, but if you consider it, the EO Client (Chat Flood) easily allows a player to send more than 1 message per 30 seconds. This script/form is essentially making it much easier to send messages without having to sit there repeating the same thing "Selling this", for ever, ect.  It's just a lot more convienent in my opinion and doesn't give you an advantage in any way either than having to type less. 

Edit- It shouldn't be considered spam, because the client enforces the amount of messages that can be sent before you're restricted from typing again. If you surpass that, then it would be considered spam. 

I would agree with you but CTRL+V works for those trying to sell the same thing over and over. Auto talkers are used for advertising and spamming always even if it is a slow autotalker. 

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None of that would get you banned, but auto-typing could help get you banned very easily if the content is garbage, or someone goes to sleep and leaves it spamming for 20 hours straight. Pretty much the only acceptable use would be for spamming your stuff for sale on global.

On that note, it would be nice to create a dedicated board for posting offers on that anyone could open with a user command, and ban trade spam from global.

Sausage posted: (25th Aug 2015, 11:37 pm)

None of that would get you banned, but auto-typing could help get you banned very easily if the content is garbage, or someone goes to sleep and leaves it spamming for 20 hours straight. Pretty much the only acceptable use would be for spamming your stuff for sale on global.

On that note, it would be nice to create a dedicated board for posting offers on that anyone could open with a user command, and ban trade spam from global.

Edit- I like your idea for the board for post offers/ banning spam.

I'm very glad to hear that, I figured that everything I've asked about would be ok. I assumed you would be ok with the auto chat, assuming it's to help with selling, or other meaningful purpose ect. Like you said, if someone abuses it, those few specific users can easily be banned.

I have a couple more important things to ask you about if you don't mind, and I'd like to know what you think before I start, and spend my time on these projects.

-The first is to do with Auto Relog for my Script. I should have asked this in my previous post, but it didn't come to mind. This is very similar to the auto Chat feature, in the sense that it is automatically typing for you to do a task, but you're not going to gain any advantage either than having to type less. There are multiple games including World of Warcraft (good example) that have the option to auto log in your character. I would think you would be ok with this, but I'd like to know what your opinion is on that matter. Since you not gaining an advantage over other players, exactly the same concept as Auto Chat, and you're not breaking the rules I would hope you would think this is alright also.

-The second is to do with "Fair Hacks" (I can understand while reading this, peoples first assumption is going to be: hacks are not allowed!)

I understand some of these might not be allowed, but I certainly think most of the listed hacks should be acceptable, not to mention undetectable by yourself / staff.

Basically this program is mostly cosmetic hacks, that simply make the EO experience a little funner/ more customizable. I feel I should point out everyone already has access to a lot of these hacks anyways, and most, if not all are going to be undetectable.

-Anti Afk (Prevents disconnection from the client) 

-Weight Hack (I don't think the weight hacks work proper on eoserv anyways)

-Shop Buy (Allows you to buy 1-100 items at a time) (Doesn't allow to buy more, once past 250 items, unlike main)

-Refresh Hack (Instantly refresh the client)

-Chat Freeze (Freeze the chat lines if you see an important message.) Basically new chat lines will not appear giving you time to type a link from chat without it disappearing, ect.

-Chat Bubble Freeze (Freeze chat bubbles so the last message typed by any player always appears over their head indefinitely)

-Status Bars Hack (Freeze status bars so you can constantly/ always see status bar info)

-Damage/HP Freeze (Freezes the last damage amount/ health status above your head)

-Sit Speed (Obviously sit faster) 

-Moonlite (This is one of the only hacks that I see being unfair to other players, because of arena)

That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm hoping you would allow most of these, since there is no advantage gained over other players. (Just cosmetic) Keep in mind you would never be able to tell if players are using any of these hacks, and eotrainer, and weedhax has already been released for some time. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on these, I understand if some of these are not acceptable, but most of them really make the EO experience that much better, which is exactly why I decided to work on both these projects in the first place. :P Sorry to bother you again, but I'd like to know what you approve of before I do this. 

        

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shayne posted: (26th Aug 2015, 01:52 am)

Sausage posted: (25th Aug 2015, 11:37 pm)

None of that would get you banned, but auto-typing could help get you banned very easily if the content is garbage, or someone goes to sleep and leaves it spamming for 20 hours straight. Pretty much the only acceptable use would be for spamming your stuff for sale on global.

On that note, it would be nice to create a dedicated board for posting offers on that anyone could open with a user command, and ban trade spam from global.

Edit- I like your idea for the board for post offers/ banning spam.

I'm very glad to hear that, I figured that everything I've asked about would be ok. I assumed you would be ok with the auto chat, assuming it's to help with selling, or other meaningful purpose ect. Like you said, if someone abuses it, those few specific users can easily be banned.

I have a couple more important things to ask you about if you don't mind, and I'd like to know what you think before I start, and spend my time on these projects.

-The first is to do with Auto Relog for my Script. I should have asked this in my previous post, but it didn't come to mind. This is very similar to the auto Chat feature, in the sense that it is automatically typing for you to do a task, but you're not going to gain any advantage either than having to type less. There are multiple games including World of Warcraft (good example) that have the option to auto log in your character. I would think you would be ok with this, but I'd like to know what your opinion is on that matter. Since you not gaining an advantage over other players, exactly the same concept as Auto Chat, and you're not breaking the rules I would hope you would think this is alright also.

-The second is to do with "Fair Hacks" (I can understand while reading this, peoples first assumption is going to be: hacks are not allowed!)

I understand some of these might not be allowed, but I certainly think most of the listed hacks should be acceptable, not to mention undetectable by yourself / staff.

Basically this program is mostly cosmetic hacks, that simply make the EO experience a little funner/ more customizable. I feel I should point out everyone already has access to a lot of these hacks anyways, and most, if not all are going to be undetectable.

-Anti Afk (Prevents disconnection from the client) 

-Weight Hack (I don't think the weight hacks work proper on eoserv anyways)

-Shop Buy (Allows you to buy 1-100 items at a time) (Doesn't allow to buy more, once past 250 items, unlike main)

-Refresh Hack (Instantly refresh the client)

-Chat Freeze (Freeze the chat lines if you see an important message.) Basically new chat lines will not appear giving you time to type a link from chat without it disappearing, ect.

-Chat Bubble Freeze (Freeze chat bubbles so the last message typed by any player always appears over their head indefinitely)

-Status Bars Hack (Freeze status bars so you can constantly/ always see status bar info)

-Damage/HP Freeze (Freezes the last damage amount/ health status above your head)

-Sit Speed (Obviously sit faster) 

-Moonlite (This is one of the only hacks that I see being unfair to other players, because of arena)

That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm hoping you would allow most of these, since there is no advantage gained over other players. (Just cosmetic) Keep in mind you would never be able to tell if players are using any of these hacks, and eotrainer, and weedhax has already been released for some time. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on these, I understand if some of these are not acceptable, but most of them really make the EO experience that much better, which is exactly why I decided to work on both these projects in the first place. :P Sorry to bother you again, but I'd like to know what you approve of before I do this. 

        

• Trying to buy more than 4 items on EOSERV will fail.
• Weight hack is useless in most cases, but I believe it lets you over-stock your inventory from shops and bank lockers right now. Those cases will probably be fixed in future.
• Sit rates will probably also be restricted in the future, even though it's pretty trivial. Sitting does have an advantage in combat due to the extra HP recovery.
  
• Speeding via "moon lite" in theory should just cause your turn+attack combo to be delayed on the server (and delaying the rest of your actions after that, putting you at a disadvantage), but people claim it still gives an advantage.
  
• "Chat freeze" already exists in-game, click the icon to the right of the sys tab to toggle it.

I'm all for hacking up your client however you like, though.

Sausage posted: (26th Aug 2015, 02:49 am)

shayne posted: (26th Aug 2015, 01:52 am)

Sausage posted: (25th Aug 2015, 11:37 pm)

None of that would get you banned, but auto-typing could help get you banned very easily if the content is garbage, or someone goes to sleep and leaves it spamming for 20 hours straight. Pretty much the only acceptable use would be for spamming your stuff for sale on global.

On that note, it would be nice to create a dedicated board for posting offers on that anyone could open with a user command, and ban trade spam from global.

Edit- I like your idea for the board for post offers/ banning spam.

I'm very glad to hear that, I figured that everything I've asked about would be ok. I assumed you would be ok with the auto chat, assuming it's to help with selling, or other meaningful purpose ect. Like you said, if someone abuses it, those few specific users can easily be banned.

I have a couple more important things to ask you about if you don't mind, and I'd like to know what you think before I start, and spend my time on these projects.

-The first is to do with Auto Relog for my Script. I should have asked this in my previous post, but it didn't come to mind. This is very similar to the auto Chat feature, in the sense that it is automatically typing for you to do a task, but you're not going to gain any advantage either than having to type less. There are multiple games including World of Warcraft (good example) that have the option to auto log in your character. I would think you would be ok with this, but I'd like to know what your opinion is on that matter. Since you not gaining an advantage over other players, exactly the same concept as Auto Chat, and you're not breaking the rules I would hope you would think this is alright also.

-The second is to do with "Fair Hacks" (I can understand while reading this, peoples first assumption is going to be: hacks are not allowed!)

I understand some of these might not be allowed, but I certainly think most of the listed hacks should be acceptable, not to mention undetectable by yourself / staff.

Basically this program is mostly cosmetic hacks, that simply make the EO experience a little funner/ more customizable. I feel I should point out everyone already has access to a lot of these hacks anyways, and most, if not all are going to be undetectable.

-Anti Afk (Prevents disconnection from the client) 

-Weight Hack (I don't think the weight hacks work proper on eoserv anyways)

-Shop Buy (Allows you to buy 1-100 items at a time) (Doesn't allow to buy more, once past 250 items, unlike main)

-Refresh Hack (Instantly refresh the client)

-Chat Freeze (Freeze the chat lines if you see an important message.) Basically new chat lines will not appear giving you time to type a link from chat without it disappearing, ect.

-Chat Bubble Freeze (Freeze chat bubbles so the last message typed by any player always appears over their head indefinitely)

-Status Bars Hack (Freeze status bars so you can constantly/ always see status bar info)

-Damage/HP Freeze (Freezes the last damage amount/ health status above your head)

-Sit Speed (Obviously sit faster) 

-Moonlite (This is one of the only hacks that I see being unfair to other players, because of arena)

That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm hoping you would allow most of these, since there is no advantage gained over other players. (Just cosmetic) Keep in mind you would never be able to tell if players are using any of these hacks, and eotrainer, and weedhax has already been released for some time. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on these, I understand if some of these are not acceptable, but most of them really make the EO experience that much better, which is exactly why I decided to work on both these projects in the first place. :P Sorry to bother you again, but I'd like to know what you approve of before I do this. 

        

• Trying to buy more than 4 items on EOSERV will fail.
• Weight hack is useless in most cases, but I believe it lets you over-stock your inventory from shops and bank lockers right now. Those cases will probably be fixed in future.
• Sit rates will probably also be restricted in the future, even though it's pretty trivial. Sitting does have an advantage in combat due to the extra HP recovery.
  
• Speeding via "moon lite" in theory should just cause your turn+attack combo to be delayed on the server (and delaying the rest of your actions after that, putting you at a disadvantage), but people claim it still gives an advantage.
  
• "Chat freeze" already exists in-game, click the icon to the right of the sys tab to toggle it.

I'm all for hacking up your client however you like, though.

It's cool you don't mind people messing with the client. Of course that's probably partly because you have fixed most exploits in eoserv anyways which I think is great.

I am almost positive I successfully bought 50 potions at one time at the desert pot shop when I tested. I'll have to test it tonight just to see. I am pretty sure most of the weight hacks I found to work on main, do not work on EOServ anyways.

I don't know why I posted Chat Freeze.. I realized this mistake back when I posted WeedHax on treos, and made the mistake again.. Oh well. =D

I didn't get a direct answer to the Auto Relog aspect. In theory I'm thinking you would be fine with this, seeing as this script will not have any type of botting (Training/cheating) options. This is an important one/useful for my script. I find it a major convenience to be able to automatically log back in the instant you disconnect.  

I won't bother you with anything else for a while now after the above is answered, but I may have more questions in the future to ask. Thanks for being so open minded (In my opinion) and taking the time to respond to this. The main reason I'm asking so many very specific questions, is I don't want to disrespect or break your rules, or the effort you're putting into the "Main Clone". We don't need this to turn into the now dead EO Main server.

Edit- I'll test on the Main Clone later to see what is all possible within the client (Mass Shop buy/Weight Hacks/ more, ect)

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How about multiple global channels and the user just decides what they want to view?

/global chat
/global trade
/global SpamShitAboutSordie

etc

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Squirrel posted: (26th Aug 2015, 05:14 pm)

How about multiple global channels and the user just decides what they want to view?

/global chat
/global trade
/global SpamShitAboutSordie

etc

No wayyyy we dont have a big enough player base for that.

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Squirrel posted: (26th Aug 2015, 05:14 pm)

How about multiple global channels and the user just decides what they want to view?

/global chat
/global trade
/global SpamShitAboutSordie

etc

Some kind of Global Trade Channel would be a good idea I think. =D

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Squirrel posted: (26th Aug 2015, 05:14 pm)

How about multiple global channels and the user just decides what they want to view?

/global chat
/global trade
/global SpamShitAboutSordie

etc

I actually like that idea. I think we would only need two channels though with the current player base.

/global chat

/global trade

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