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Oxygen posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 03:17 am)

Hahhaa! Holy shit, didn't think this would get so many replies. But guys, really, chill out, it was a joke. I'm an atheist myself, the point was, religious people make stupid remarks such as this that are just really annoying and stupid. Lmao.

Hahaa -siggh-- idiots... idiots everywhere

God clearly isn't real, there's no proof of him. Until I see him with my own eyes, I don't believe that shit. Bible doesn't tell you anything... Religion is something people made up because they were bored and had nothing to do in life because there was no internet then. And is now brainwashing children to this day! People need to come back to reality... And people waste so much time with religion it's really sad! Like really, praying every time you eat and shit for some religions, then going to church on Sundays.. Such a waste of time..

     Well, I wouldn't quite say the Bible doesn't tell you anything. For instance, back in the days of when the world was thought to be flat rather than round or the sun was thought to revolve around the earth, the Bible was definitely around during those days. And I know for a fact that the Bible states that the earth revolves around the sun and that the earth is not flat. But for some reason, the people of those days did not take that into account and ignored it only to be proven wrong. And, it is a pretty big coincidence that the Bible is a book written over a time-span of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors, over 40 generations, in different locations, during different moods, 3 different continents and originally written in 3 different languages (Aramaic, Greek & Hebrew), all written to be about the same "topic", if you will. But then come the supernatural absurdities, involving life from death etc. etc., but, if there really is a god, anything would really be possible.

Last 5 years ihave  stoped believe in God. Not because he gave me a reason, because it was my choice for personal reason. I was too close to science to leave space for God in my mind. But anyone who know how stuff works in nature, knows about the rules of the universe, how earth and moon and our solar system have been created, and look carefully, you will find God inside. Now i have started believe again. My faith is stronger than before because i know that every little person and every situation is a piece of a puzzle. God made earth the "Perfect" place for human, to live, syrvive and prosper. But human destroyed that heaven and we keep doing it. God gave us a choice. Humanity lost its path.

If you want to see God inside science then google for "The golden Number Φ" or F in english if you cant type that char.

Google "the council of Nicaea", god didn't write the bible, the Romans did, Christianity was based from scripts found in other religions and beliefs of the time and collected together, re-written to suit their needs, there was many, ancient text found along side the scrolls that later became the books of the bible, that were never added to the bible by the council.

The book of Enoch is one such book, supposedly written by the great grand father of Noah, you know the guy with the physically impossible story...

In the book of Enoch the whole idea put forward by the council - the father, the son and the holy spirit (first created by the council) is tossed aside with statements like there was many gods, that taught Enoch technology and took him to their home world etc...  

It also states that Noah himself was in fact conceived in the same manner that Jesus was supposedly immaculate conception...

But wait, the Christians revised version clearly states that god sent his only son. Jesus.

The book of Genesis didn't name Noah's mother.

The book of Enoch does.

This is because the books not added, contradict everything they were trying to achieve at the time.

The reason many scientists are not religious is because they generally look into things regarding the facts, where as religious have already given in to accepting things as fact without the slightest proof and a mountain to the contrary.

I could rant all day on this subject and any point that you can make, I have an answer based on facts and research.  

Some points that were made earlier - 

Free will - God chose to wipe out mankind in floods, noah etc. There is no free will involved here.

God does not contradict himself. Perhaps not but those that have recorded the accounts sure do.

Which god? - The Israelite and Judas god Yahweh? the saying Halleluya finds its origins here translating to praise yah. Later replaced by LORD in use in the christian bible. Or is it Jehovah? This name was also given to the christian god during the renaissance. Infact god may go by many names so this can't be accurately used as any sort of proof.

The bible was written by god, it says so just inside the cover... Then why did god need a council of many roman scholars to create the finished version? Fail.

God is loving - a loving god does not exterminate all living things one year and claim to love people the next.

Changing the bible will result in bad things happening to you, it says so just inside the cover. That is something a Roman would say... Fail.

The father, The son and the holy spirit- there is not reference to this in any scrolls, this was a purely fictitious aspect of the bible that was added to fix holes in the story. 

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Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

Why would he destroy what he has created, and what the hell is perfect ? How are we not perfect ? Perfect is the middle, we are the middle between good and bad, between smart and stupid, between everything..

stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:14 pm)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

Why would he destroy what he has created, and what the hell is perfect ? How are we not perfect ? Perfect is the middle, we are the middle between good and bad, between smart and stupid, between everything..

stavah iz interestingz.

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The book of Enoch - http://www.forbiddengate.com/BookOfEnoch.pdf

A good read for christian and non christian alike xD

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Spar posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 06:48 am)

Oxygen posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 03:17 am)

Hahhaa! Holy shit, didn't think this would get so many replies. But guys, really, chill out, it was a joke. I'm an atheist myself, the point was, religious people make stupid remarks such as this that are just really annoying and stupid. Lmao.

Hahaa -siggh-- idiots... idiots everywhere

God clearly isn't real, there's no proof of him. Until I see him with my own eyes, I don't believe that shit. Bible doesn't tell you anything... Religion is something people made up because they were bored and had nothing to do in life because there was no internet then. And is now brainwashing children to this day! People need to come back to reality... And people waste so much time with religion it's really sad! Like really, praying every time you eat and shit for some religions, then going to church on Sundays.. Such a waste of time..

     Well, I wouldn't quite say the Bible doesn't tell you anything. For instance, back in the days of when the world was thought to be flat rather than round or the sun was thought to revolve around the earth, the Bible was definitely around during those days. And I know for a fact that the Bible states that the earth revolves around the sun and that the earth is not flat. But for some reason, the people of those days did not take that into account and ignored it only to be proven wrong. And, it is a pretty big coincidence that the Bible is a book written over a time-span of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors, over 40 generations, in different locations, during different moods, 3 different continents and originally written in 3 different languages (Aramaic, Greek & Hebrew), all written to be about the same "topic", if you will. But then come the supernatural absurdities, involving life from death etc. etc., but, if there really is a god, anything would really be possible.

Wow what a coincidence. Myself, I haven't read the bible. But my grandparents are religious, and oh my gosh, it just really makes me hate religion... It might just be that they're jehova witness and have to pray for most meals they eat and go to church so much. Then pray when you go to sleep, and a lot of the time they make me do it lol. But yeah, even if I did read the bible. I don't really believe stuff I read, unless it's on Wikipedia or some trusted info site, or in a science book or something!

@deezenutz that's a bit harsh bro. You sound like you really have a good heart, you say I don't have friends?
P.S: You're fucking half the worlds populations.. Pimpin' out I see.

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@Misca Time does not exist.

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Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:20 pm)

As soon as Eve gave in to sin and bit into the apple in the Garden of Eden, God abandoned humanity and moved on to create and manage something much greater. No matter how much we pray, the result will be the same. We will end this world together.

@Misca Time does not exist.

Are you retarded? If that was true god wouldn't even have bothered to send Jesus down to earth. Sorry to say that this isn't some little novel or story from your mind most religious events already happened so if you're going to make a speculation like that at least know the whole story about what happened. 

@deeeznuts kill yourself.

As for all of you, I love all the tl;drs that you all wrote with useless facts and points trying to persuade others into believing your own opinions. The fact of the matter is what you believe in should be enough for you, why try and go change others point of views. As far as I'm concerned most of you are all a bunch of monkeys who can't even discuss anything correctly without getting upset or starting arguments. Leave discussions like these to civilized knowledgeable people.

R o n n i e posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 03:38 am)

stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Think they found Noah's Ark stuck in the mountains as well. If not i might have heard wrong. Either way everyone is entitled to your own beliefs.

It was never found, although the mountain that is thought to be the one it landed on is currently off limits to everyone by the government of the nation it is in. No flights are supposed to pass over it either because it is considered holy ground, so there's no way to know what's on it.

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Conex posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:38 pm)

Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:20 pm)

As soon as Eve gave in to sin and bit into the apple in the Garden of Eden, God abandoned humanity and moved on to create and manage something much greater. No matter how much we pray, the result will be the same. We will end this world together.

@Misca Time does not exist.

Are you retarded? If that was true god wouldn't even have bothered to send Jesus down to earth. Sorry to say that this isn't some little novel or story from your mind most religious events already happened so if you're going to make a speculation like that at least know the whole story about what happened. 

@deeeznuts kill yourself.

As for all of you, I love all the tl;drs that you all wrote with useless facts and points trying to persuade others into believing your own opinions. The fact of the matter is what you believe in should be enough for you, why try and go change others point of views. As far as I'm concerned most of you are all a bunch of monkeys who can't even discuss anything correctly without getting upset or starting arguments. Leave discussions like these to civilized knowledgeable people.

I was being sarcastic you bastard. You're the idiot for believing I wasn't kidding. I am Catholic and agree with you on some points, but it isn't fucking worth it to argue.

Edit: Why the hell post something like this here? We're idiots. Go to church and discuss this with your local gay priest or something.

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Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 11:17 pm)

Conex posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:38 pm)

Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:20 pm)

As soon as Eve gave in to sin and bit into the apple in the Garden of Eden, God abandoned humanity and moved on to create and manage something much greater. No matter how much we pray, the result will be the same. We will end this world together.

@Misca Time does not exist.

Are you retarded? If that was true god wouldn't even have bothered to send Jesus down to earth. Sorry to say that this isn't some little novel or story from your mind most religious events already happened so if you're going to make a speculation like that at least know the whole story about what happened. 

@deeeznuts kill yourself.

As for all of you, I love all the tl;drs that you all wrote with useless facts and points trying to persuade others into believing your own opinions. The fact of the matter is what you believe in should be enough for you, why try and go change others point of views. As far as I'm concerned most of you are all a bunch of monkeys who can't even discuss anything correctly without getting upset or starting arguments. Leave discussions like these to civilized knowledgeable people.

I was being sarcastic you bastard. You're the idiot for believing I wasn't kidding. I am Catholic and agree with you on some points, but it isn't fucking worth it to argue.

Edit: Why the hell post something like this here? We're idiots. Go to church and discuss this with your local gay priest or something.

My gay priest isn't here today :C

LegendaryG posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 11:24 pm)

Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 11:17 pm)

Conex posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:38 pm)

Zack posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 09:20 pm)

As soon as Eve gave in to sin and bit into the apple in the Garden of Eden, God abandoned humanity and moved on to create and manage something much greater. No matter how much we pray, the result will be the same. We will end this world together.

@Misca Time does not exist.

Are you retarded? If that was true god wouldn't even have bothered to send Jesus down to earth. Sorry to say that this isn't some little novel or story from your mind most religious events already happened so if you're going to make a speculation like that at least know the whole story about what happened. 

@deeeznuts kill yourself.

As for all of you, I love all the tl;drs that you all wrote with useless facts and points trying to persuade others into believing your own opinions. The fact of the matter is what you believe in should be enough for you, why try and go change others point of views. As far as I'm concerned most of you are all a bunch of monkeys who can't even discuss anything correctly without getting upset or starting arguments. Leave discussions like these to civilized knowledgeable people.

I was being sarcastic you bastard. You're the idiot for believing I wasn't kidding. I am Catholic and agree with you on some points, but it isn't fucking worth it to argue.

Edit: Why the hell post something like this here? We're idiots. Go to church and discuss this with your local gay priest or something.

My gay priest isn't here today :C

That's because it isn't Sunday ;)

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