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Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:43 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:41 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:39 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

So you're saying you are your own lord? So surely you've created yourself. You've created the Earth on which you've lived on for god knows how long. Hm, makes sense. Totally not illogical.

It's called exaggerating, hell that is what most religions are. They're just storys/legends/etc. piled together. Somewhere along the line facts get fudged, information gets lost.

And stop dodging my original post. You said not to take things literally in the quran, yet you think they should be taken literally in the bible.

Honestly I don't care how you respond since this topic has gone away from the main point.

if you read my edit I fully addressed that post.

@Mouse I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just proving that Christianity is a falsified religion.

@Syran More logical than saying you created yourself. Wouldn't you say?

Sorry about that, had to go to the store. And no one created anything or was created, we all exist due to chance. A quote comes to mind: "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

No one is born because it's meant to be, they're born because they got lucky.

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Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:33 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:43 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:41 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:39 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

So you're saying you are your own lord? So surely you've created yourself. You've created the Earth on which you've lived on for god knows how long. Hm, makes sense. Totally not illogical.

It's called exaggerating, hell that is what most religions are. They're just storys/legends/etc. piled together. Somewhere along the line facts get fudged, information gets lost.

And stop dodging my original post. You said not to take things literally in the quran, yet you think they should be taken literally in the bible.

Honestly I don't care how you respond since this topic has gone away from the main point.

if you read my edit I fully addressed that post.

@Mouse I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just proving that Christianity is a falsified religion.

@Syran More logical than saying you created yourself. Wouldn't you say?

Sorry about that, had to go to the store. And no one created anything or was created, we all exist due to chance. A quote comes to mind: "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

No one is born because it's meant to be, they're born because they got lucky.

No problem; I got worried. I thought you fell asleep on your keyboard. Well, everything was created by someone. Nothing can just appear by chance. For instance, this forum did not just poof here, it was created by sausage. So in this case eoserv is Jullian's creation.

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Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:35 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:33 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:43 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:41 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:39 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

So you're saying you are your own lord? So surely you've created yourself. You've created the Earth on which you've lived on for god knows how long. Hm, makes sense. Totally not illogical.

It's called exaggerating, hell that is what most religions are. They're just storys/legends/etc. piled together. Somewhere along the line facts get fudged, information gets lost.

And stop dodging my original post. You said not to take things literally in the quran, yet you think they should be taken literally in the bible.

Honestly I don't care how you respond since this topic has gone away from the main point.

if you read my edit I fully addressed that post.

@Mouse I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just proving that Christianity is a falsified religion.

@Syran More logical than saying you created yourself. Wouldn't you say?

Sorry about that, had to go to the store. And no one created anything or was created, we all exist due to chance. A quote comes to mind: "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

No one is born because it's meant to be, they're born because they got lucky.

No worries; I got worried. I thought you fell asleep on your keyboard. Well, everything was created by someone. Nothing can just appear by chance. For instance, this forum did not just poof here, it was created by sausage. So in this case eoserv is Jullian's creation.

And in this case, your supposed god was created by something. So technically we should bow before God's God <.<

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Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:38 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:35 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:33 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:43 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:41 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:39 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

So you're saying you are your own lord? So surely you've created yourself. You've created the Earth on which you've lived on for god knows how long. Hm, makes sense. Totally not illogical.

It's called exaggerating, hell that is what most religions are. They're just storys/legends/etc. piled together. Somewhere along the line facts get fudged, information gets lost.

And stop dodging my original post. You said not to take things literally in the quran, yet you think they should be taken literally in the bible.

Honestly I don't care how you respond since this topic has gone away from the main point.

if you read my edit I fully addressed that post.

@Mouse I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just proving that Christianity is a falsified religion.

@Syran More logical than saying you created yourself. Wouldn't you say?

Sorry about that, had to go to the store. And no one created anything or was created, we all exist due to chance. A quote comes to mind: "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

No one is born because it's meant to be, they're born because they got lucky.

No worries; I got worried. I thought you fell asleep on your keyboard. Well, everything was created by someone. Nothing can just appear by chance. For instance, this forum did not just poof here, it was created by sausage. So in this case eoserv is Jullian's creation.

And in this case, your supposed god was created by something. So technically we should bow before God's God <.<

So technically we should bow to the god that created us. Like I said, somethings are beyond our knowledge, something we just can't comprehend no matter how hard we try. Such as were Allah derived from.

Edit: I'm going to log off, LA clippers are vs Golden state.. I've been waiting for this game for a while. Thanks for helping me pass the time Misca and Syran. Your opinions have enlightened me. =)

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Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:42 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:38 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:35 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 02:33 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:43 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:41 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:39 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:31 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:29 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:27 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:24 am)

Misca posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:19 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 01:12 am)

Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

Yet you find that the crap in the quran shouldn't be taken literally? 

Saying something like the sun sets into the water and saying if you pray for something totally idiotic like mountains plunging into the sea is nothing that can be compared. Seriously, if you're going to write something to your creations you should write something literal when it comes to praying for something you want/need. Not something totally ridiculous... Secondly, there's nothing poetic about wishing for mountains to plunge into the sea. Furthermore, you should know by know that Christianity's book has been edited many times just as Syran stated.

Does it matter if it has been editted? Not really, since people still follow it blindly.

Who cares about poetry?

Well you clearly don't care about poetry, that's your personal opinion, I respect it. It kind of matters since your not hearing the true words of your lord, only the tainted words of your lord. So yes, it does matter.

My lord is me rotting 6 feet under in the next 10 years. Do I have to believe in religion? No. The only things I do in real life are those I feel I have to.

If any god really did exist, he would smite everyone, since no one is perfect.

So you're saying you are your own lord? So surely you've created yourself. You've created the Earth on which you've lived on for god knows how long. Hm, makes sense. Totally not illogical.

It's called exaggerating, hell that is what most religions are. They're just storys/legends/etc. piled together. Somewhere along the line facts get fudged, information gets lost.

And stop dodging my original post. You said not to take things literally in the quran, yet you think they should be taken literally in the bible.

Honestly I don't care how you respond since this topic has gone away from the main point.

if you read my edit I fully addressed that post.

@Mouse I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just proving that Christianity is a falsified religion.

@Syran More logical than saying you created yourself. Wouldn't you say?

Sorry about that, had to go to the store. And no one created anything or was created, we all exist due to chance. A quote comes to mind: "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

No one is born because it's meant to be, they're born because they got lucky.

No worries; I got worried. I thought you fell asleep on your keyboard. Well, everything was created by someone. Nothing can just appear by chance. For instance, this forum did not just poof here, it was created by sausage. So in this case eoserv is Jullian's creation.

And in this case, your supposed god was created by something. So technically we should bow before God's God <.<

So technically we should bow to the god that created us. Like I said, somethings are beyond our knowledge, something we just can't comprehend no matter how hard we try. Such as were Allah derived from.

I said the person who created god's god. And who created that god? And the god before that?

Only reason I'm really arguing is because you mainly keep dodging questions. Honestly idgaf about this topic since it derailed on page two.

 

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It's an interesting theory to be sure. Also, I don't think this ever actually had a topic, I think it was more just posted to see how people would react. I love discussing things like this, because I do respect people's beliefs, but I personally don't always agree with them. I retain what I said before, there may be a god, there may not be, I haven't seen any evidence to support it either way.

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Hahhaa! Holy shit, didn't think this would get so many replies. But guys, really, chill out, it was a joke. I'm an atheist myself, the point was, religious people make stupid remarks such as this that are just really annoying and stupid. Lmao.

Hahaa -siggh-- idiots... idiots everywhere

God clearly isn't real, there's no proof of him. Until I see him with my own eyes, I don't believe that shit. Bible doesn't tell you anything... Religion is something people made up because they were bored and had nothing to do in life because there was no internet then. And is now brainwashing children to this day! People need to come back to reality... And people waste so much time with religion it's really sad! Like really, praying every time you eat and shit for some religions, then going to church on Sundays.. Such a waste of time..

(MY OPINION)

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Oxygen posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 03:17 am)

Hahhaa! Holy shit, didn't think this would get so many replies. But guys, really, chill out, it was a joke. I'm an atheist myself, the point was, religious people make stupid remarks such as this that are just really annoying and stupid. Lmao.

Hahaa -siggh-- idiots... idiots everywhere

God clearly isn't real, there's no proof of him. Until I see him with my own eyes, I don't believe that shit. Bible doesn't tell you anything... Religion is something people made up because they were bored and had nothing to do in life because there was no internet then. And is now brainwashing children to this day! People need to come back to reality... And people waste so much time with religion it's really sad! Like really, praying every time you eat and shit for some religions, then going to church on Sundays.. Such a waste of time..

I was just arguing for the hell of it, like I said earlier, I'd rather rot in the ground than go to purgatory or heaven.

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stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Think they found Noah's Ark stuck in the mountains as well. If not i might have heard wrong. Either way everyone is entitled to your own beliefs.

Guys can't we just play tag and eat our lunchables and tell stories in a circle and get along? Like srs who the fuck cares

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Just gonna go out on a limb and say this because this is what I believe, but why should we let some book or religion dictate how we should live our lives? Basically everyone is saying that god gave us the right to our free will, so why should we spend our entire life worshiping something that may or may not be true? I think if we were given the right to free will why should the way we live our lives and the choices we make effect where we go in our "afterlife?" If we were created to worship something and believe in it and be doomed to hell if we don't, that is not free will. 

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Mouse posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 04:03 am)

Guys can't we just play tag and eat our lunchables and tell stories in a circle and get along? Like srs who the fuck cares

This.

Just... just listen to this.

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Dammit. OP reminded me of /r/circlejerk and I got distracted.

I really like some of the arguments people are making. Eoserv isn't known for worthy and reasonable discourse.

I'd like to challenge people to read the Bible/Qu'ran/Book of Mormon/whateverthefuck before completely denouncing it (although I know that isn't going to happen; this is something I myself haven't done). And I'm not talking about finding one tiny thing that if read the wrong way/taken out of context could be seen as errant. Actually READ the text as literature. Read the commentary on biblical texts for whichever scripture you're studying. People have been studying these texts for literally THOUSANDS of years and your broad statement about the bible being false doesn't quite cut it for me.

I'd even go so far to say that the way in which the biblical texts were written is further proof of the existence of God. And not just any God: the Judeo-Christian God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. These texts were collected from thousands of years and hundreds of authors and all speak consistently of the same God. 

The edits are largely due to translation from the Hebrew Torah to the Greek Septuagint, and then to Latin by the Roman Catholic Church, and then into German (during the Reformation by Luther) and multiple other languages. Even the English translations don't all completely agree because the text was written in a script completely unknown to most literate human beings in the modern world. The culmination of what we know as the "Bible" isn't even complete - but it is the best thing we have since Jesus hasn't walked among us for nearly 2000 years.

Now let me visit the "If God were real, why is there so much evil in the world?" argument. It makes sense that a loving and just God would desire a perfect world, devoid of evil such as famine. and war. and disease. Someone earlier posted a good response to this, which is how I generally tend to think, and it has to do with free will. Free will wouldn't be free if God were to make himself universally known in a way that everyone understands. I believe that He tries to reveal himself to every one of us - but then there is the problem for people who don't understand the Christian tradition (and can't be 'saved' according to biblical texts). I don't have a good answer for that, except for the fact that I believe in a God that knows better than me on matters like this. I'm also not a philosopher so that doesn't help my case much.

I'd like to write more, but my LoL game is about to start. I'll close with one last thought. I read a post by Syran claiming that (paraphrase) "God royally fucked the world up". I believe that God isn't at fault for the state of the world, people are. When the world was created, God intended it to be perfect. The fact that free will was such an important thing was what ruined it, we chose our own demise. I realize the creation account of genesis is an easy thing to disprove, but bear with me on that statement - I'm not a young world creationist; I believe science is important in backing up the christian faith and provides a more accurate creation account than the biblical text. In spite of the evil apparent in every aspect of life, take a moment to examine something simple. Look at it under a magnifying glass, or a microscope. Think about the elements in our world. Now if you don't already, pretend that they were created and consider how amazing that is. I don't think existence is possible without a God or a Creator. I encourage you to believe your own beliefs and find your own path, but not without considering and questioning every reasonable possibility first.

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lol guys. sorry for making this topic and my post. Let's just not argue, considering it's a forum, and everyone has their own beliefs and there's nothing we can really do to make them stop believing what they believe. It's useless to argue, so let's just all love each other :) <3

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