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Mr.Emmax posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:19 am)

stava i think scientists doesnt believe in god. thats what ive learn when im in highschool. that no scientist believe in GOD. that everything is science :D

There's scientists who believe in god .. they say everything starts with an idea, and idea has to be thought of, so something thought of all the ideas that run everything surrounding us.. :P

And they believe everything has to be created out of something, but at the top of the creating is something that was the creator, and they believe it's the God.

Yeah the thing now is why GOD wont show us himself or show something unbelievably letting us trust him and give our faith to him xD whats the reason from hiding LOL :> 

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stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Science has also proven that many of the events recorded in the bible are completely impossible and could not have happened, at all.

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It fascinates me when thinking about the creation of creations. There has to be a thing that was first and even then that leaves that thing without a creator. And also our important/size. Maybe we are just as small as a particle to some other world. And maybe that world is just a particle of another world. And so on. Damn inception.

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well i dont know anything about that :3

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Misca posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:14 pm)

Syran posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:12 pm)

If god is real, why does he let so many children in Africa starve to death daily? Why does he let the world continue to kill itself off in wars? Why does he not like equality for all people?

Checkmate, religion.

Maybe he voted for Obama.

No in all seriousness, some aspects of religion are true while some are questionable.

If you think about it, how was matter/space created? Science doesn't have a reasonable explanation yet. 

But if you believe in religion, what created God? And don't say he created himself because that is a bunch of B.s. and we all know it.

Well, the existence of god is well beyond our knowledge. God is without a start, god is without and ending. Somethings we dwell about in our minds are beyond our knowledge. We'll try to figure somethings out but simply can't... God is of superior knowledge. Somethings only our lord can understand.

@Syran Our lord gave us minds. We figure out right from wrong. We learn from our mistakes and move on. If god had created us to do the right thing every time we would practically be robots. (Someone had said this before, but I forgot whom though.) 

The children in Africa are in such a situation because of the political leaders greed and selfishness. And also because of the rest of the world looting it's resources from them. So this brings me back to my other point about us using our brains for right and wrong. And in the end of the day when you meet your eternal ending, you'll be judge on how you used your knowledge and what you used it for.

monotheism with the dunk!~

 

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Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:32 am)

stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Science has also proven that many of the events recorded in the bible are completely impossible and could not have happened, at all.

Exactly proves the Gods impact,

Some thing have happened in history that can not be explained.

Like Mammoths who were frozen in matter of moments together with the meadow they were feeding on, there's no explanation for such a phenomenon, and it has never happened again..

Or the Great flood ? Was that ever explained ?

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:38 am)

Misca posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:14 pm)

Syran posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:12 pm)

If god is real, why does he let so many children in Africa starve to death daily? Why does he let the world continue to kill itself off in wars? Why does he not like equality for all people?

Checkmate, religion.

Maybe he voted for Obama.

No in all seriousness, some aspects of religion are true while some are questionable.

If you think about it, how was matter/space created? Science doesn't have a reasonable explanation yet. 

But if you believe in religion, what created God? And don't say he created himself because that is a bunch of B.s. and we all know it.

Well, the existence of god is well beyond our knowledge. God is without a start, god is without and ending. Somethings we dwell about in our minds are beyond our knowledge. We'll try to figure somethings out but simply can't... God is of superior knowledge. Somethings only our lord can understand.

@Syran Our lord gave us minds. We figure out right from wrong. We learn from our mistakes and move on. If god had created us to do the right thing every time we would practically be robots. (Someone had said this before, but I forgot whom though.) 

The children in Africa are in such a situation because of the political leaders greed and selfishness. And also because of the rest of the world looting it's resources from them. So this brings me back to my other point about us using our brains for right and wrong. And in the end of the day when you meet your eternal ending, you'll be judge on how you used your knowledge and what you used it for.

monotheism with the dunk!~

 

If god did exist, he would give more evidence of his existence than an old book that's been edited many times because people thought it would be a better way to control the people under them. Honestly, if there is a god, then he doesn't deserve to have anything to do with the world he so royally fucked up.

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@ stava: Well that can be explain through science xD

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stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:41 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:32 am)

stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Science has also proven that many of the events recorded in the bible are completely impossible and could not have happened, at all.

Exactly proves the Gods impact,

Some thing have happened in history that can not be explained.

Like Mammoths who were frozen in matter of moments together with the meadow they were feeding on, there's no explanation for such a phenomenon, and it has never happened again..

Or the Great flood ? Was that ever explained ?

Great flood is believed to be modern day Black Sea, but there's little evidence about it.

And Palm, please do not throw us into the "Our Lord" statements, not everyone believes in the same religion, or any for that matter.

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stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:41 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:32 am)

stava posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:03 am)

Science proved that a lot of events from the bible were accurate, and actually did happen in history, they found human bones, horses, wheels and weapons in the lake where Bible says Moses open the water, and cities such as Sodoma and Gomora were found etc..

Since those things did happen, Bible isn't false, the events from Bible aren't legends, myths, but historical facts.

From that point it all depends on how you understand the Bible, literally or non literally..

Science has also proven that many of the events recorded in the bible are completely impossible and could not have happened, at all.

Exactly proves the Gods impact,

Some thing have happened in history that can not be explained.

Like Mammoths who were frozen in matter of moments together with the meadow they were feeding on, there's no explanation for such a phenomenon, and it has never happened again..

Or the Great flood ? Was that ever explained ?

Actually the flash freezing can be explained. If an extraordinarily large meteor were to hit the earth, it could potentially cause a nuclear winter which would flash freeze many miles of land within seconds, and it could happen again if such a thing were to happen again.

As far as the flood goes, there's no evidence to support that it ever actually happened other than a book that someone wrote about, and it just so happens that they wrote about it thousands of years after it happened. Doesn't seem like an accurate historical record at all to me.

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ill tell Einstein to Register in Forums and answer our questions. and tell moses too

Edit: heard the song "What if God was one of us?"

What if Science is True and What if Religion is True? 

im more on science because of many religions exists thats why i dont believe in religions already

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Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:42 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:38 am)

Misca posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:14 pm)

Syran posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:12 pm)

If god is real, why does he let so many children in Africa starve to death daily? Why does he let the world continue to kill itself off in wars? Why does he not like equality for all people?

Checkmate, religion.

Maybe he voted for Obama.

No in all seriousness, some aspects of religion are true while some are questionable.

If you think about it, how was matter/space created? Science doesn't have a reasonable explanation yet. 

But if you believe in religion, what created God? And don't say he created himself because that is a bunch of B.s. and we all know it.

Well, the existence of god is well beyond our knowledge. God is without a start, god is without and ending. Somethings we dwell about in our minds are beyond our knowledge. We'll try to figure somethings out but simply can't... God is of superior knowledge. Somethings only our lord can understand.

@Syran Our lord gave us minds. We figure out right from wrong. We learn from our mistakes and move on. If god had created us to do the right thing every time we would practically be robots. (Someone had said this before, but I forgot whom though.) 

The children in Africa are in such a situation because of the political leaders greed and selfishness. And also because of the rest of the world looting it's resources from them. So this brings me back to my other point about us using our brains for right and wrong. And in the end of the day when you meet your eternal ending, you'll be judge on how you used your knowledge and what you used it for.

monotheism with the dunk!~

 

If god did exist, he would give more evidence of his existence than an old book that's been edited many times because people thought it would be a better way to control the people under them. Honestly, if there is a god, then he doesn't deserve to have anything to do with the world he so royally fucked up.

If I'm not mistaken the only book that has not been edited is the koran. I've read this book several times translated into my language. It's like poetry.. Some parts you don't take literal like when it says "the sun sets into the sea" He is giving it a poetic feel to it. It doesn't really set into the sea, it just appears that way. The other parts when he's talking about the last day or "day of judgement" when everyone meets their fate. It is because this book is so thoughtfully written and detailed and so beautiful at the same time is exactly the reason I converted.

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Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:50 am)

Syran posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:42 am)

Palmolein posted: (22nd Jan 2013, 12:38 am)

Misca posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:14 pm)

Syran posted: (21st Jan 2013, 07:12 pm)

If god is real, why does he let so many children in Africa starve to death daily? Why does he let the world continue to kill itself off in wars? Why does he not like equality for all people?

Checkmate, religion.

Maybe he voted for Obama.

No in all seriousness, some aspects of religion are true while some are questionable.

If you think about it, how was matter/space created? Science doesn't have a reasonable explanation yet. 

But if you believe in religion, what created God? And don't say he created himself because that is a bunch of B.s. and we all know it.

Well, the existence of god is well beyond our knowledge. God is without a start, god is without and ending. Somethings we dwell about in our minds are beyond our knowledge. We'll try to figure somethings out but simply can't... God is of superior knowledge. Somethings only our lord can understand.

@Syran Our lord gave us minds. We figure out right from wrong. We learn from our mistakes and move on. If god had created us to do the right thing every time we would practically be robots. (Someone had said this before, but I forgot whom though.) 

The children in Africa are in such a situation because of the political leaders greed and selfishness. And also because of the rest of the world looting it's resources from them. So this brings me back to my other point about us using our brains for right and wrong. And in the end of the day when you meet your eternal ending, you'll be judge on how you used your knowledge and what you used it for.

monotheism with the dunk!~

 

If god did exist, he would give more evidence of his existence than an old book that's been edited many times because people thought it would be a better way to control the people under them. Honestly, if there is a god, then he doesn't deserve to have anything to do with the world he so royally fucked up.

If I'm not mistaken the only book that has not been edited is the koran. I've read this book several times translated into my language. It's like poetry.. Some parts you don't take literal like when it says "the sun sets into the sea" He is giving it a poetic feel to it. It doesn't really set into the sea, it just appears that way. The other parts when he's talking about the last day or "day of judgement" when everyone meets their fate. It is because this book is so thoughtfully written and detailed and so beautiful at the same time is exactly the reason I converted.

I can't find the source at the moment, but King James authorized an editing of the Bible in order to exclude books that he thought were "controversial" and "heretical". The Roman Catholic church burned many of the original manuscripts so that it would be taken in faith that the bible was true, and not made up.

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Well, I knew little about that part. But after doing much research over the past years if come over many convincing arguments proving Christianity is a falsified religion.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus (supposedly said)

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man are you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"

Matthew 21:21

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "go, throw yourself into the sea" and it'll be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

So basically if this edited copy of the bible purposes that if you pray for the mountains to drop into the sea and disturb the natural balances of the earth it'll do so? Or maybe if you pray for the atmosphere to disintegrate it'll do so as well. Or maybe I'll pray for the world to end and everyone get hit by 4L of acidic water but me. Surely this is a falsified religion.

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