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UndeadEO posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:30 pm)

MitchV2 posted: (18th Jan 2012, 10:37 pm)

SOPA and PIPA both seem rather communistic to me, anyone else agree? What the hell happened to the people having a voice in the country? They don't get a voice in this decision. America land of the free. lol. Again, this is just my opinion on this.

Also, China has similar enforced acts and laws like these, I'm not sure how people have reacted over there, but they can't be doing too bad. Oh wait! There people didn't have a choice, and neither do we here against these acts, but we elect the people who chose this. :( 

Since when have we not been communists? 

Well we are a Republic, democratic in certain views of perspective at some points. But it technically isn't as communist. Our constitution was built so the we the people elect people that do this to us. They think it will be better for the country, because they will believe it to protect us, andget more money to the people whoright fully own the pirated products. What they are really doing though is censoring more then needed. I wouldn't see a problem with just piracy links and sites being censored. Blame it on the people who elected 'House JudiciaryCommittee Chair RepresentativeLamar S. Smith (R-TX)' But yeah like you say the ideas are similar.

MitchV2 posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:38 pm)

UndeadEO posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:30 pm)

MitchV2 posted: (18th Jan 2012, 10:37 pm)

SOPA and PIPA both seem rather communistic to me, anyone else agree? What the hell happened to the people having a voice in the country? They don't get a voice in this decision. America land of the free. lol. Again, this is just my opinion on this.

Also, China has similar enforced acts and laws like these, I'm not sure how people have reacted over there, but they can't be doing too bad. Oh wait! There people didn't have a choice, and neither do we here against these acts, but we elect the people who chose this. :( 

Since when have we not been communists? 

Well we are a Republic, democratic at some points. But it technically isn't as communist. Our constitution was built so the we the people elect people that do this to us. They think it will be better for the country, because they will believe it to protect us, and get more money to thepeoplewhorightfully own the pirated products. What they are really doing though is censoring more then needed. I wouldn't see a problem with just piracy links and sites being censored, but no, they have to take it too far. Blame it on the people who elected ' House JudiciaryCommitteeChairRepresentative Lamar S. Smith (R-TX)' But yeah like you say the ideas are similar.

Parties are stupid. I'm an Independant (if I was old enough to vote) and since when have we followed the constitution? They control everything we do, they lie to us to create war (Ex.s.: Vietnam, 9/11). They take away our freedoms, SOPA, as an example. They have no right to take away ourfreedoms. & they don't need to censor anything. It's our freedom, our ideas, our creativity, not theirs.

Incidentally, if SOPA and PIPA pass, I do believe EOSERV will be forced to reconsider its presence. Although the target is relatively small, there is a lot of intellectual property in play here and if the US Government were to audit us, i'm sure they would find grounds to have our domains terminated. Not under current legislation, but as SOPA and PIPA make website operators accountable for not only their own content, but also the content of their users... well I hope we have a decent legal defence.

I hope it doesn't happen. I really do. With the number of high profile lobbies and corporations supporting it though, i'm prepared for the fact that this may actually pass. It will be a sad day, but the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it, so i'm hopeful that if it does pass, it will be a significant change and not just the end of the internet, period.

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UndeadEO posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:41 pm)

MitchV2 posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:38 pm)

UndeadEO posted: (18th Jan 2012, 11:30 pm)

MitchV2 posted: (18th Jan 2012, 10:37 pm)

SOPA and PIPA both seem rather communistic to me, anyone else agree? What the hell happened to the people having a voice in the country? They don't get a voice in this decision. America land of the free. lol. Again, this is just my opinion on this.

Also, China has similar enforced acts and laws like these, I'm not sure how people have reacted over there, but they can't be doing too bad. Oh wait! There people didn't have a choice, and neither do we here against these acts, but we elect the people who chose this. :( 

Since when have we not been communists? 

Well we are a Republic, democratic at some points. But it technically isn't as communist. Our constitution was built so the we the people elect people that do this to us. They think it will be better for the country, because they will believe it to protect us, and get moremoneytothepeoplewhorightfully own the pirated products. What they are really doing though is censoring more then needed. I wouldn't see a problem with just piracy links and sites being censored, but no, they have to take it too far. Blame it on the people whoelected' HouseJudiciaryCommitteeChairRepresentative Lamar S. Smith (R-TX)' But yeah like you say the ideas are similar.

Parties are stupid. I'm an Independant (if I was old enough to vote) and since when have we followed the constitution? They control everything we do, they lie to us to create war (Ex.s.: Vietnam, 9/11). They take away our freedoms, SOPA, as an example. They have no right to takeawayourfreedoms.& they don't need to censor anything. It's our freedom, our ideas, our creativity, not theirs.

Blame Vietnam on Nixon, xD. They don't control a lot of the things we do, but we are the ones who choose who's in control. SOPA is stupid as all get out I agree, but they take too much. Why the hell can't they just censor what's necessary. :( It would be so much better. I guess they like to dragoneverything in most situations, anyway we look at it in history. Good points on this topic, but we have no control over this now ;( Also, I agree with Mic. And.. the bill will only effect citizens of the u.s. or people using the resources. :P

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holding their power in for a very long time. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'll either be the easy way, or the violent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws.. There will not be a United States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people can be, there's always smarter people. These FBI people don't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able to do anything about it. These people outside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These bills will not have success. This is where everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA is going to be the cause of world-wide suicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to be a huge number of suicides from internet censorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? How much information Google, Yahoo, Ask, and more search engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

nice post^

i agree if interwebs were gone id srsly kill whoever the fucks incharge of the country i dont give a fuck if i get shot in the end as long as i take down that bastard with me.

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Desmond posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:53 am)

Looks like you porn freaks need to download all the porn now so that you don't have to buy magazines in the near future XD

Oh gosh they best run out an find a megaporn torrent then xfer everything over to their psp's/ipods an such! Remember guys mp4 plays on ipods an psp's! >.> 

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Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holding theirpowerinforaverylongtime. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'll eitherbetheeasyway,ortheviolent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws.. Therewill not be a United States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people can be,there'salwayssmarterpeople.These FBI peopledon't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able to doanything about it.These people outside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These billswill not have success.This is where everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA is goingtobethecauseofworld-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to be ahugenumberofsuicidesfrominternetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? HowmuchinformationGoogle,Yahoo,Ask,andmore search engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Ok, I'm trying not to sound like a jackass here, just clearing things up here. I'm not supporting either of the acts, but am telling you what the correct scenario would be. So here we go.. Sorry but the U.S. government is still too powerful for it's people, there may be small outbreaks, I doubt small riots. This is kind of a silly reply you had :P. The government would have the same people, that we elect. These people meet the people face to face in hope to gain an election vote or put their name out there. People will not commit suicide over internet censorship either, unless they truly are crazy in the head or were already on the verge. If people are thinking that they would take meme's away is what they're doing, I doubt you have read what SOPA and PIPA are actually about. They are going to censor things that are illegal, fraudent, plagiarized, and more, not the silly things that most of you think are going away (although some might). All these foreign entities are harming buisnesses by distributing such content. They may over censor some things, but not as much as you think they would. They won't take violence against people, unless other people are actually in danger. Then the people causing the danger would be at fault anyways. Also, these people outside the government you say with hacking and ect. would be easily targeted and persecuted by the F.B.I. You call them better hackers, but what does the F.B.I. need to hack for, other then national security issues? The military branches are also on the government's side if worse came to worse, so I would like to see you try to riot violently among the people who you call so strong, and have no access to the power that the government has, that most people don't even have a clue about. It's not like some people won't find ways to bypass the acts anyways, but I'm sure they willhave a law or restriction on that if they are passed. The only destruction that is coming from PIPA and SOPA is the illegal and plagiarist activities that happen here on the internet. I thought I knew what was up before, but it is better if you do more research on it and understand what it is. Also China,North Korea, and I'm sure Russia have their own laws passed that are exactly like PIPA and SOPA that have acted against the internet in the same ways, and haven't acted like people here have. I don't support either acts myself, the acts both violate the first amendment, but have a good argument to it. Both sides have a good argument to what we see here. But I believe the majority of people lose out on pirated songs/movies and aren't harmed like these buisnesses are, that have rightful ownership to this content. These people have been getting a free ride for too long, and the SOPA and PIPA acts seem to recognize that, but will censor more things then just those that may seem minor to us, but bigger than they actually know. Both arguments shall end in compromise,which we will see on January 24th. I do however, support a Pizza Party Thursday act :)

MitchV2 posted: (19th Jan 2012, 01:25 am)

Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holdingtheirpowerinforaverylongtime. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'lleitherbetheeasyway,ortheviolent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws..Therewill not be a United States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people canbe,there'salwayssmarterpeople.These FBI peopledon't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able todoanything about it.These people outside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These billswill not have success.This is where everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA isgoingtobethecauseofworld-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to beahugenumberofsuicidesfrominternetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? HowmuchinformationGoogle,Yahoo,Ask,andmoresearch engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Ok, I'm trying not to sound like a jackass here, just clearing things up here. I'm not supporting either of the acts, but am telling you what the correct scenario would be. So here we go.. Sorry but the U.S. government is still too powerful for it's people, there may be small outbreaks, I doubtsmall riots. This is kind of a silly reply you had :P. The government would have the same people, that we elect. These people meet the people face to face in hope to gain an election vote or put their name out there. People will not commit suicide over internet censorship either, unless they trulyare crazy in the head or were already on the verge. If people are thinking that they would take meme's away is what they're doing, I doubt you have read what SOPA and PIPA are actually about. They are going to censor things that are illegal, fraudent, plagiarized, and more, not the silly thingsthat most of you think are going away (although some might). All these foreign entities are harming buisnesses by distributing such content. They may over censor some things, but not as much as you think they would. They won't take violence against people, unless other people are actually indanger. Then the people causing the danger would be at fault anyways. Also, these people outside the government you say with hacking and ect. would be easily targeted and persecuted by the F.B.I. You call them better hackers, but what does the F.B.I. need to hack for, other then national securityissues? The military branches are also on the government's side if worse came to worse, so I would like to see you try to riot violently among the people who you call so strong, and have no access to the power that the government has, that most people don't even have a clue about. It's not likesome people won't find ways to bypass the acts anyways, but I'm sure they willhave a law or restriction on that if they are passed. The only destruction that is coming from PIPA and SOPA is the illegal and plagiarist activities that happen here on the internet. I thought I knew what was up before,but it is better if you do more research on it and understand what it is. Also China,North Korea, and I'm sure Russia have their own laws passed that are exactly like PIPA and SOPA that have acted against the internet in the same ways, and haven't acted like people here have. I don't support eitheracts myself, the acts both violate the first amendment, but have a good argument to it. Both sides have a good argument to what we see here. But I believe the majority of people lose out on pirated songs/movies and aren't harmed like these buisnesses are, that have rightful ownership to thiscontent. These people have been getting a free ride for too long, and the SOPA and PIPA acts seem to recognize that, but will censor more things then just those that may seem minor to us, but bigger than they actually know. Both arguments shall end in compromise,which we will see on January 24th. Ido however, support a Pizza Party Thursday act :)

BEFORE YOU READ THIS, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO ATTEMPT TO START ANYTHING. I don't want fights starting because of this post. I am only giving MY OPINION based off of the facts that I have received in the past.
Lol. Riots? Outbreaks? I'm not talking about face to face action, sir. You don't know the true power of people who have been sitting in their rooms just waiting to have a good enough reason to strike. People who have the power, but don't use it, for they have respect and refuse to use their true power for either no reason at all, or for reasons that are really dumb. SOPA and PIPA being passed would give these people a good enough reason. People will act. People will fight. People will succeed. Do you really believe the government is truly as powerful as they seem? They're not. The government can't even track down the people who enforce, organize, etc. Anonymous. They haven't even arrested over 50 of them yet. Out of thousands. Yes, of course, the government is consumed with people we, ourselves, have voted for. However, do you not see how blind everyone is? How blind America's people truly are? The people of America don't even think about every day life outside of America. The majority of us go day by day without even thinking that there's hundreds of people out there in war and fighting and dying every day. They don't think about Africans who are starving to death and don't have a house or family. They only think about what goes on in their life, and what effects it. They don't see what the government truly does or stands for. Which is why the people who are for SOPA and PIPA are generally, but not limited to, people who don't even use the internet, or know what it would truly do. Also, do you not know how insane people truly are? People in the past of committed suicide for simple things such as their World of Warcraft account being permanantly banned. There are people who committ suicide because their parents told them they were shutting off their internet for years to come. People committ suicide for reasons unknown to us, for MANY, MULTIPLE reasons. You don't think if the internet was to be censored, there wouldn't be a single person out there that would kill themselves? You don't know the society you live in these days, do you? Also, you don't know the government, do you? You don't think they will say that this is all they are going to do until they get the act passed, then they turn around and do more than what they said? Look at the past. Look at what the government has done before. 9/11. The Twin Towers. That was not just a terrorist attack. That was an inside job. There's no possible way a plane flying into the Towers would truly do that to them. They were built in a way that would stop them from collapsing if something like that actually happened. Not only that, it goes against physics. It wouldn't be possible for them to just fall at the rate of gravity. Do you not know that there were actually bombs planted inside the Towers? These bombs were actually the ones that caused them to fall. Not the planes. The bombs were put in by the government. The government has gone further and further from the United States being truly free since our Founding Fathers passed on. Look at what they did to Cell Phones, web cams, etc., etc. They tapped into them, and it is legal for them to do so. The government is corrupt. They will go a lot further than you believe they will. Besides. About the memes? I'm pretty sure if you knew the type of person I was, you'd see that it was a joke about the memes. I had a laugh when I said that. ALTHOUGH, it's very likely they might possibly censor memes as well. Doubtful, but possible. Also, you're telling me they won't take violence against people without anyone actually being in danger? Scott Olson. He was unarmed, and just standing there, minding his own business. A policeman shot him. Look up videos about it. It's not made up. It's real life. Also, about the FBI? Refer above about what I said about Anonymous. They can't actually target you as easily as you may believe. Another thing, I never exactly stated they hack better than the FBI. I said they know more about hacking than the FBI knows about STOPPING the attacks against them. Sure, simple little hacks could be stopped by the government. I'm not talking about simple hacking, sir. I'm talking about people like Anonymous and people who are like Anonymous, just not inside the organization itself. Plus, not to mention.. Have you not seen any of Anonymous' videos? They have messages to the United States Military stating things that SHOULD turn the Military against the Government. I, myself, sir.. Will not be a part of any riot. The only part of protest I will be in, is petitioning. Not to mention, the people I'm talking about who are this powerful.. Have access to a lot more than you may think. I know how people outside the government can be. Do you think that anyone who is a genius is automatically a part of the government? Do you think that you would have to be in the government to learn true power? No. There's genius' out there who refuse to be a part of the government, while being just as powerful as the government themselves, because they don't believe in what the government is doing. Plus, it won't be as easy to bypass the acts for a lot of people. They wouldn't even know where to begin on how to bypass them. Now. As for China, North Korea, and Russia having passed laws that are exactly like PIPA and SOPA.. This not not true, actually. However, the laws that were passed there ARE, in fact, VERY CLOSE to these acts. These acts are still more than what those countries have. The other countries' laws aren't as bad as SOPA and PIPA will actually be. Another thing. Exactly. It violates the first amendment. The Bill of Rights. The Constitution. The only GOOD thing I could ever see out of these acts would be plagerized downloads being taken away. However, think about it. Youtube. Music videos people have made. Lyric videos people have made. Videos people have made that deal with a video game they play. The "LP" videos. Many other types of videos would be considered as plagerizing to the government, and they would be taken down.

Once again. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Although, I'm completely with you on this Pizza Party Thursday Act!!! PPTA!! <3 ;D

Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holding their power in for a verylong time. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'll either be the easy way, orthe violent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws.. There will not be aUnited States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people can be, there's always smarter people. TheseFBI people don't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able to do anything about it. These peopleoutside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These bills will not have success. This iswhere everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA is going to be the cause of world-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to be a huge number of suicides from internetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? How much information Google, Yahoo, Ask,and more search engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Sorry, but I can't agree with this.

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Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 02:33 am)

MitchV2 posted: (19th Jan 2012, 01:25 am)

Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have beenholdingtheirpowerinforaverylongtime. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end,it'lleitherbetheeasyway,ortheviolent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed aslaws..Therewill not be a United States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these peoplecanbe,there'salwayssmarterpeople.These FBI peopledon't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be abletodoanything about it.These people outside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These billswill not have success.This is where everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPAisgoingtobethecauseofworld-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going tobeahugenumberofsuicidesfrominternetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past?HowmuchinformationGoogle,Yahoo,Ask,andmoresearch engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Ok, I'm trying not to sound like a jackass here, just clearing things up here. I'm not supporting either of the acts, but am telling you what the correct scenario would be. So here we go.. Sorry but the U.S. government is still too powerful for it's people, there may be small outbreaks, Idoubtsmall riots. This is kind of a silly reply you had :P. The government would have the same people, that we elect. These people meet the people face to face in hope to gain an election vote or put their name out there. People will not commit suicide over internet censorship either, unless theytrulyare crazy in the head or were already on the verge. If people are thinking that they would take meme's away is what they're doing, I doubt you have read what SOPA and PIPA are actually about. They are going to censor things that are illegal, fraudent, plagiarized, and more, not the sillythingsthat most of you think are going away (although some might). All these foreign entities are harming buisnesses by distributing such content. They may over censor some things, but not as much as you think they would. They won't take violence against people, unless other people are actuallyindanger. Then the people causing the danger would be at fault anyways. Also, these people outside the government you say with hacking and ect. would be easily targeted and persecuted by the F.B.I. You call them better hackers, but what does the F.B.I. need to hack for, other then nationalsecurityissues? The military branches are also on the government's side if worse came to worse, so I would like to see you try to riot violently among the people who you call so strong, and have no access to the power that the government has, that most people don't even have a clue about. It's notlikesome people won't find ways to bypass the acts anyways, but I'm sure they willhave a law or restriction on that if they are passed. The only destruction that is coming from PIPA and SOPA is the illegal and plagiarist activities that happen here on the internet. I thought I knew what was upbefore,but it is better if you do more research on it and understand what it is. Also China,North Korea, and I'm sure Russia have their own laws passed that are exactly like PIPA and SOPA that have acted against the internet in the same ways, and haven't acted like people here have. I don't supporteitheracts myself, the acts both violate the first amendment, but have a good argument to it. Both sides have a good argument to what we see here. But I believe the majority of people lose out on pirated songs/movies and aren't harmed like these buisnesses are, that have rightful ownership tothiscontent. These people have been getting a free ride for too long, and the SOPA and PIPA acts seem to recognize that, but will censor more things then just those that may seem minor to us, but bigger than they actually know. Both arguments shall end in compromise,which we will see on January24th. Ido however, support a Pizza Party Thursday act :)

BEFORE YOU READ THIS, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO ATTEMPT TO START ANYTHING. I don't want fights starting because of this post. I am only giving MY OPINION based off of the facts that I have received in the past.
Lol. Riots? Outbreaks? I'm not talking about face to face action, sir. You don't know the true power of people who have been sitting in their rooms just waiting to have a good enough reason to strike. People who have the power, but don't use it, for they have respect and refuse to use their truepower for either no reason at all, or for reasons that are really dumb. SOPA and PIPA being passed would give these people a good enough reason. People will act. People will fight. People will succeed. Do you really believe the government is truly as powerful as they seem? They're not. Thegovernment can't even track down the people who enforce, organize, etc. Anonymous. They haven't even arrested over 50 of them yet. Out of thousands. Yes, of course, the government is consumed with people we, ourselves, have voted for. However, do you not see how blind everyone is? How blindAmerica's people truly are? The people of America don't even think about every day life outside of America. The majority of us go day by day without even thinking that there's hundreds of people out there in war and fighting and dying every day. They don't think about Africans who are starving todeath and don't have a house or family. They only think about what goes on in their life, and what effects it. They don't see what the government truly does or stands for. Which is why the people who are for SOPA and PIPA are generally, but not limited to, people who don't even use the internet, orknow what it would truly do. Also, do you not know how insane people truly are? People in the past of committed suicide for simple things such as their World of Warcraft account being permanantly banned. There are people who committ suicide because their parents told them they were shutting offtheir internet for years to come. People committ suicide for reasons unknown to us, for MANY, MULTIPLE reasons. You don't think if the internet was to be censored, there wouldn't be a single person out there that would kill themselves? You don't know the society you live in these days, do you?Also, you don't know the government, do you? You don't think they will say that this is all they are going to do until they get the act passed, then they turn around and do more than what they said? Look at the past. Look at what the government has done before. 9/11. The Twin Towers. That was notjust a terrorist attack. That was an inside job. There's no possible way a plane flying into the Towers would truly do that to them. They were built in a way that would stop them from collapsing if something like that actually happened. Not only that, it goes against physics. It wouldn't bepossible for them to just fall at the rate of gravity. Do you not know that there were actually bombs planted inside the Towers? These bombs were actually the ones that caused them to fall. Not the planes. The bombs were put in by the government. The government has gone further and further from theUnited States being truly free since our Founding Fathers passed on. Look at what they did to Cell Phones, web cams, etc., etc. They tapped into them, and it is legal for them to do so. The government is corrupt. They will go a lot further than you believe they will. Besides. About the memes? I'mpretty sure if you knew the type of person I was, you'd see that it was a joke about the memes. I had a laugh when I said that. ALTHOUGH, it's very likely they might possibly censor memes as well. Doubtful, but possible. Also, you're telling me they won't take violence against people without anyoneactually being in danger? Scott Olson. He was unarmed, and just standing there, minding his own business. A policeman shot him. Look up videos about it. It's not made up. It's real life. Also, about the FBI? Refer above about what I said about Anonymous. They can't actually target you as easily asyou may believe. Another thing, I never exactly stated they hack better than the FBI. I said they know more about hacking than the FBI knows about STOPPING the attacks against them. Sure, simple little hacks could be stopped by the government. I'm not talking about simple hacking, sir. I'm talkingabout people like Anonymous and people who are like Anonymous, just not inside the organization itself. Plus, not to mention.. Have you not seen any of Anonymous' videos? They have messages to the United States Military stating things that SHOULD turn the Military against the Government. I, myself,sir.. Will not be a part of any riot. The only part of protest I will be in, is petitioning. Not to mention, the people I'm talking about who are this powerful.. Have access to a lot more than you may think. I know how people outside the government can be. Do you think that anyone who is a geniusis automatically a part of the government? Do you think that you would have to be in the government to learn true power? No. There's genius' out there who refuse to be a part of the government, while being just as powerful as the government themselves, because they don't believe in what thegovernment is doing. Plus, it won't be as easy to bypass the acts for a lot of people. They wouldn't even know where to begin on how to bypass them. Now. As for China, North Korea, and Russia having passed laws that are exactly like PIPA and SOPA.. This not not true, actually. However, the lawsthat were passed there ARE, in fact, VERY CLOSE to these acts. These acts are still more than what those countries have. The other countries' laws aren't as bad as SOPA and PIPA will actually be. Another thing. Exactly. It violates the first amendment. The Bill of Rights. The Constitution. The onlyGOOD thing I could ever see out of these acts would be plagerized downloads being taken away. However, think about it. Youtube. Music videos people have made. Lyric videos people have made. Videos people have made that deal with a video game they play. The "LP" videos. Many other types of videoswould be considered as plagerizing to the government, and they would be taken down.

Once again. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Although, I'm completely with you on this Pizza Party Thursday Act!!! PPTA!! <3 ;D

Hey i didnt read ur whole post only the first few sentances way to long.

Who is anoynmous and what did they do?

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sblord posted: (19th Jan 2012, 02:56 am)

Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holding their power in for averylong time. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'll either be the easy way,orthe violent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws.. There will not beaUnited States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people can be, there's always smarter people.TheseFBI people don't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able to do anything about it. Thesepeopleoutside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These bills will not have success.This iswhere everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA is going to be the cause ofworld-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to be a huge number of suicides frominternetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? How much information Google, Yahoo,Ask,and more search engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Sorry, but I can't agree with this.

You're giving Anonymous way too much credit. I've scratched the tip of the iceberg of groups affiliated with Anonymous and couldn't wait to be rid of them. All I saw was a bunch of kids hell bent on destruction or abuse. Although collectively they hold an influence in supporting change on theweb, they don't often invoke it, and I find it very hard to believe that Anonymous will digitally remove the United States Government from power. They may be strong behind the keyboards and screens, but the government has shown in the past that they have no issue with coming in and raiding yourhome to prove their point.

In addition, even if i'm mistaken and they do succeed, I wouldn't want to see anyone in the same class as Anonymous in any position of power on the global stage. That would be significantly more worrying than SOPA and PIPA combined.

It's not only behind their computer screens.

sblord posted: (19th Jan 2012, 02:56 am)

Acemasta posted: (19th Jan 2012, 12:26 am)

Well, this is a reply I sent to a friend on MSN about the whole deal. It was kinda in the middle of our conversation about it, but yeah. I feel as though it's needed to be spoken here.

"Lol. What did I tell you? Anonymous is one of the groups of people I was talking about yesterday, sir. Not only groups of these people.. But there's people outside Anonymous who work solo. These solo workers know their power just as Anonymous does. They have been holding their power in for averylong time. SOPA and PIPA is the very thing they have been waiting for to use their power. If these two bills are passed, these people WILL strike. The government WILL NOT succeed in this attempt. In the end, it'll either be the easy way,orthe violent way. There is no hard way. These people are too powerful for the government. It will be easy one way or another, but there's one way with violence, and one way without. If these two bills are passed as laws.. There will not beaUnited States government in the future. The government themselves would be run by other people. Don't get me wrong. The government has some pretty darn smart people in it, when it comes to the FBI and everything. However, no matter how smart these people can be, there's always smarter people.TheseFBI people don't do everything. They are only smart in what they know. They are only smart in what they actually do. Once the people outside the government attack them, the government won't be able to do anything about it. Thesepeopleoutside the government are 10 x smarter in these fields of hacking and everything else than the FBI is in their field of being able to stop these attacks. The attacks aren't going to stop, either. These bills will not have success.This iswhere everything goes down. This. Is the end."

Also. Further into the conversation.. I stated MEMEs not existing anymore.. What I stated this:

"Memes will die! Nooo! I will die..Dude..They're one of the last very few things that actually makes me laugh.. I've recently lost humor in pretty much almost anything now..

Taking away memes... Is like taking away my ability to laugh... Taking away my ability to laugh...Is like taking away my ability to be happy...Taking away my ability to be happy...Is like forcing me to kill myself... Forcing me to kill myself...Is like SOPA is going to be the cause ofworld-widesuicide..." Meaning a lot of people would actually possibly seriously kill themselves because of this act... JUST saying. If people actually kill themselves because they get banned on a game, then yeah. There's going to be a huge number of suicides frominternetcensorship.

Do you have ANY idea how much information I actually have saved on Facebook? How much information people actually have saved on Youtube from their past? How much information Google, Yahoo,Ask,and more search engines, are going to have to completely erase from their databases if they stay in the U.S.? Do you have ANY idea how much destruction would actually come from SOPA & PIPA?

I leave with this. SOPA and PIPA will fall. Kthxbai.

Sorry, but I can't agree with this.

You're giving Anonymous way too much credit. I've scratched the tip of the iceberg of groups affiliated with Anonymous and couldn't wait to be rid of them. All I saw was a bunch of kids hell bent on destruction or abuse. Although collectively they hold an influence in supporting change on theweb, they don't often invoke it, and I find it very hard to believe that Anonymous will digitally remove the United States Government from power. They may be strong behind the keyboards and screens, but the government has shown in the past that they have no issue with coming in and raiding yourhome to prove their point.

In addition, even if i'm mistaken and they do succeed, I wouldn't want to see anyone in the same class as Anonymous in any position of power on the global stage. That would be significantly more worrying than SOPA and PIPA combined.

I have to agree if a group such as Anonymous gained any kind of political power.. I do believe I would be more worried about our world then I already am. Don't get me wrong "anonymous" the idea sounds cool, some of the "members" have good intention but tbh I wouldn't want them running my country. 


@Mitch they could take away meme's that have to do with movie pictures an tv pictures due to it being copyrighted material. 

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