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I really hate you for writing that and I reading that. God it's like i'm in a literature class :P

You should just start adding a summary of what you said to your posts if they're over 3paragraphs.

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Addison posted: (12th Feb 2011 11:32 am)

I really hate you for writing that and I reading that. God it's like i'm in a literature class :P

You should just start adding a summary of what you said to your posts if they're over 3paragraphs.

I busted out some breakfast and read it while I ate. <3 <3 <3

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Wise words sblord!  Thanks.  I also think it's great having different servers just like it is nice to travel from one country to another and experience different cultures, different flavors, etc.  I have no clue who was at fault but the constant name-calling and finger-pointing does not make any server look any better.  FE is a server that I learn from and admire regardless of whatever is going on between competing servers and I'm also grateful to all the work released in this forum that we can put to use to have fun and enjoy.

Addison posted: (12th Feb 2011 11:32 am)

I really hate you for writing that and I reading that. God it's like i'm in a literature class :P

You should just start adding a summary of what you said to your posts if they're over 3 paragraphs.

As someone who had a childhood of writing and advanced English skills, it's almost impossible for me to shorten something down without feeling like i'm losing too much, or not making a point strongly enough. Don't worry though, I feel the same way every time someone posts some code.

eochibi posted: (12th Feb 2011 11:37 am)

Wise words sblord!  Thanks.  I also think it's great having different servers just like it is nice to travel from one country to another and experience different cultures, different flavors, etc.  I have no clue who was at fault but the constant name-calling and finger-pointing doesnot make any server look any better.  FE is a server that I learn from and admire regardless of whatever is going on between competing servers and I'm also grateful to all the work released in this forum that we can put to use to have fun and enjoy.

Thanks, and the country analogy is a good one. It's all about choice. We choose where we live when it's time to move on, and likewise we can choose the server we wish to play on. Each country is supposed to look out for and improve the life of its people as well, and that too should be the number one priority for each private server.

You're right too, the constant arguing, finger-pointing and name-calling doesn't make any server look better. As a matter of fact, i'd imagine to outsiders, potential new EOSERV members or server players, it just makes the entire scene look pathetic. Surely that's not the image we want for ourplayers, staff and servers. There has to be a better way to do this.

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sblord posted: (12th Feb 2011 10:51 am)

I want everyone to read this. That includes Elevations, so if he can't see it, someone please make sure to forward it to him or ensure that he can see it.

The Endless Online Private Server business is one that's developing at a rapid rate. New servers appear each day, with new players to match. Fallen Evolution is very successful, but it won't be the only one to occupy the top spots within the coming weeks and months. 

What each and every server has to realise is that for it to succeed, the others do not have to lose. There are 361,000,000 active users of the internet worldwide, each one of which is a potential new player, and even divided by a thousand there is still too many for any one server tohandle. The market is growing, new people log on for the first time every day, and there is more than enough room for each server to co-exist.

What everyone needs to understand is that Fallen Evolution, like every other server, deserves credit where credit is due. Even if a server reuses game code, graphics or other resources, it's still the effort on the part of the server itself to implement it in a way unique to their server andmake it appealing to their players, and that in itself is not a simple task.

However for each server to accept that credit, they must operate in a fair and ethical manner. They need to respect their players and their private details when they sign up. Staff are obliged to see to the needs of their players, as it's players that make each server tick. Without them therewould be no game, no ad clicks, no server. Likewise each server needs to respect its competitors. Each decent private server should have virtually no interest in what the other private servers are doing, other than to ensure the server is on par with the offerings of its competitors.

There is no reason for anyone to have a dispute with another. You focus on your own server and making it successful. Do not worry in the slightest about what other servers are doing. If someone uses a graphic that you created for your server a while back, then it may require nothing more than asimple request that they remove it. If they don't comply, then it may be a simple case of tough shit, deal with it. Rest assured that any server that can't create its own materials will always struggle to keep up with those that can, and use that to your advantage. You don't need to spam, or DDoS.You just need to keep advancing your server piece of by piece to stay one step ahead.

That's the way competition works. Hell, that's capitalism.

So yes, I do give credit to Fallen Evolution for what they've achieved. I give credit to each individual server for their achievements as well and even to the EOSERV guys for what they've pulled off over the last 2 years. I still believe we have a long way to go though, and I think now is a goodtime for us to start making some changes in our conduct, our ethics and the way we operate our servers if we (as in any of us, individual or server) intend to progress any further going into the future.

Players do hold some responsibilities when playing private servers as well. The best advice I can offer is that no matter whether you like a particular server or not, negative reviews aren't going to mean shit in this game. Jumping across to another server and attempting to take players from it,or spamming another server with positive or negative commentary doesn't do anything. If someone is on a server, it means they've chosen to be on that server and all you're doing is wasting your time.

If you like a server, stick with it. Don't spam it elsewhere. Enjoy playing the game on your server of choice. Likewise if you don't like a server, then switch and be done with it. There's several other servers out there you can play, so pick one and get back to what matters- yourentertainment.

Finally, for every script kiddie, for every hacker or attacker, you need to find something better to do. Taking out one server doesn't make any of the others look better. It doesn't even make their server look worse. It makes you look like a complete dickhead, and that's all it achieves.Sure, we've probably all looked into it or tried it once, and that's fine, I know I was messing with OS level insecurities years ago. If you do this to prove a point though, or you just find it fun, then you're wasting your life. Simple enough. We don't have a lot of time on this earth, and theprecious time we do have should not be spent trying to take our a server because you got banned from it, or because you don't like it. It's bullshit, and you secretly know it.

What I want to see is a competitive market where the only competition is individuals making their own servers better and better. No arguments or disputes between each server or its staff. All that matters is your server, your players, and in some cases your revenues. EOSERV will still be around,developing the software and furthering the codebase, but ultimately EOSERV and the SLN should have nothing to do with the servers other than to further its development. We will not be an advertising agency for your server and we will not make sure everyone is playing nice, because we shouldn't haveto. You're a bunch of new and upcoming private servers run by a skilled bunch of people, and you should at the very least be better than some of the conduct i'm seeing from you guys at the moment.

Best of luck to everyone. Take this advice wisely, it could save yourself and your server a lot of hassle in the short and long run. It could even earn you further success.

+1 for the efford.
And I somewhat Agree, ofcourse I do.

who is attacking the server yet? Only Jimmye?

I bet jimmyee isn't attacking anyone anymore.

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ehhh why is he attacking their server? BU ?what he did?

Before commenting, read every post. And please read the title or atleast the first 3 sentences.

Basically this whole thread went right off-topic, clive admits he's the one crashing bu, wich is the title of the thread, duh. Furthermore some ppl say i deserve it, why? what did i ever do to deserve it? All i have done is try to make a fun server for ppl to enjoy, if that makes me a bad person then i guess it does, maybe i am confused as to what this whole eoserv thing is here for, i thought a community is a group of ppl on the same page, evidently its ok to do the opposite of its intended purpose. I am not much for ele's personality or character but, read between the lines here and you will actually start to understand his message, we are supposed to be working together like sblord said and making something great here, instead we have guys like clive and jimmyee who gain more attention and notoriety from their negative exploits, the so called communtiy rejoices and holds hands with the assholes. So in conclusion if you want to crash the shit outta BU then do it, if that makes you feel like a man or that you are even close to the level of creativity of the ppl who actually put these servers up, then so be it, Bu has crashed probably half a million times from these guys in the past year, and ppl still come back to it, if its up for more than an hr its #1. The actual community of eo will decide what happens, not a few nutless hackers. Ty and ya all have a nice day. :)

Just thought I'd post that I pretty much told everyone it wasn't FE over a month ago and gave you all a clue to who it was. Out of all the logs I got from various sources, it wasn't that hard to figure out.

http://forums.fallen-evolution.com/thread-1858.html

Scott posted: (12th Feb 2011 08:09 pm)

Just thought I'd post that I pretty much told everyone it wasn't FE over a month ago and gave you all a clue to who it was. Out of all the logs I got from various sources, it wasn't that hard to figure out.

http://forums.fallen-evolution.com/thread-1858.html

For some reason when i tracked the ip i got the location of a small un-secure network in the Netherlands.

sblord posted: (12th Feb 2011 10:51 am)

I want everyone to read this. That includes Elevations, so if he can't see it, someone please make sure to forward it to him or ensure that he can see it.

The Endless Online Private Server business is one that's developing at a rapid rate. New servers appear each day, with new players to match. Fallen Evolution is very successful, but it won't be the only one to occupy the top spots within the coming weeks and months. 

What each and every server has to realise is that for it to succeed, the others do not have to lose. There are 361,000,000 active users of the internet worldwide, each one of which is a potential new player, and even divided by a thousand there is still too many for any one server tohandle. The market is growing, new people log on for the first time every day, and there is more than enough room for each server to co-exist.

What everyone needs to understand is that Fallen Evolution, like every other server, deserves credit where credit is due. Even if a server reuses game code, graphics or other resources, it's still the effort on the part of the server itself to implement it in a way unique to their server andmake it appealing to their players, and that in itself is not a simple task.

However for each server to accept that credit, they must operate in a fair and ethical manner. They need to respect their players and their private details when they sign up. Staff are obliged to see to the needs of their players, as it's players that make each server tick. Without them therewould be no game, no ad clicks, no server. Likewise each server needs to respect its competitors. Each decent private server should have virtually no interest in what the other private servers are doing, other than to ensure the server is on par with the offerings of its competitors.

There is no reason for anyone to have a dispute with another. You focus on your own server and making it successful. Do not worry in the slightest about what other servers are doing. If someone uses a graphic that you created for your server a while back, then it may require nothing more than asimple request that they remove it. If they don't comply, then it may be a simple case of tough shit, deal with it. Rest assured that any server that can't create its own materials will always struggle to keep up with those that can, and use that to your advantage. You don't need to spam, or DDoS.You just need to keep advancing your server piece of by piece to stay one step ahead.

That's the way competition works. Hell, that's capitalism.

So yes, I do give credit to Fallen Evolution for what they've achieved. I give credit to each individual server for their achievements as well and even to the EOSERV guys for what they've pulled off over the last 2 years. I still believe we have a long way to go though, and I think now is a goodtime for us to start making some changes in our conduct, our ethics and the way we operate our servers if we (as in any of us, individual or server) intend to progress any further going into the future.

Players do hold some responsibilities when playing private servers as well. The best advice I can offer is that no matter whether you like a particular server or not, negative reviews aren't going to mean shit in this game. Jumping across to another server and attempting to take players from it,or spamming another server with positive or negative commentary doesn't do anything. If someone is on a server, it means they've chosen to be on that server and all you're doing is wasting your time.

If you like a server, stick with it. Don't spam it elsewhere. Enjoy playing the game on your server of choice. Likewise if you don't like a server, then switch and be done with it. There's several other servers out there you can play, so pick one and get back to what matters- yourentertainment.

Finally, for every script kiddie, for every hacker or attacker, you need to find something better to do. Taking out one server doesn't make any of the others look better. It doesn't even make their server look worse. It makes you look like a complete dickhead, and that's all it achieves.Sure, we've probably all looked into it or tried it once, and that's fine, I know I was messing with OS level insecurities years ago. If you do this to prove a point though, or you just find it fun, then you're wasting your life. Simple enough. We don't have a lot of time on this earth, and theprecious time we do have should not be spent trying to take our a server because you got banned from it, or because you don't like it. It's bullshit, and you secretly know it.

What I want to see is a competitive market where the only competition is individuals making their own servers better and better. No arguments or disputes between each server or its staff. All that matters is your server, your players, and in some cases your revenues. EOSERV will still be around,developing the software and furthering the codebase, but ultimately EOSERV and the SLN should have nothing to do with the servers other than to further its development. We will not be an advertising agency for your server and we will not make sure everyone is playing nice, because we shouldn't haveto. You're a bunch of new and upcoming private servers run by a skilled bunch of people, and you should at the very least be better than some of the conduct i'm seeing from you guys at the moment.

Best of luck to everyone. Take this advice wisely, it could save yourself and your server a lot of hassle in the short and long run. It could even earn you further success.

100% agree.

The only reason I don't have my own server up and running really is the fact that knowing if i get over 20 players people are just going to try and DDoS to accomplish nothing besides wasting my time and effort of creating a server.

If I see this community start to grow up I'd consider making one, but until then I'll just keep my ideas stored away. :)

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This is so priceless! in my opinion FE sucks balls and BU and EE are the best.

If I were you guys I would attack FE not BU or EE.

RedMage posted: (12th Feb 2011 08:34 pm)

Scott posted: (12th Feb 2011 08:09 pm)

Just thought I'd post that I pretty much told everyone it wasn't FE over a month ago and gave you all a clue to who it was. Out of all the logs I got from various sources, it wasn't that hard to figure out.

http://forums.fallen-evolution.com/thread-1858.html

For some reason when i tracked the ip i got the location of a small un-secure network in the Netherlands.

Clive = Netherlands
Jimyee = Poland