Forum :: Lounge :: BU - Attacker Exposed. (Evidence.)

clive posted: (12th Feb 2011 01:28 am)

Jup bone that account creation bot is mine ;). ask anger why i'm doing it.

Its got many reasons:

Hm, I'm pretty sure his balls have nothing to do with this.. o.o

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Beautiful website? It was alright if not pretty neat when you had Anthony design it. You should of left it as it was, instead of copy-pasting random images that were recolored from examples used in "AllWebMenus" (Software for generating javascript menu's without knowing how to code),and whatever other shit you also changed, you made it look more like yourcrappy game client. No style, lack of authenticity and originality, because again you can't even copy other peoples resources without making something that looks like a pile of shit.

Sorry for the off-topicness, I'm sure it will go unnoticed.

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agreed with klutz lol. it's like a picture there and a picture there and there and there.. lol..

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uhhhhhhh........i'm not familiar with too much eoserv but why would people crash people... its not like its there own made game

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So, Kenobi13 is the one who is doing it?
Or you guys still don't know?

Seems a tad obvious, who is doing it.
I don't know, how knowing who it is will help you.

Just fix the problem, how ever possible. And move on.

if only they could have add an anti crash system

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well fixing it won't really help since there are at the moment to many bugs in eoserv we've found 7 so far to abuse.

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clive posted: (12th Feb 2011 09:26 am)

well fixing it won't really help since there are at the moment to many bugs in eoserv we've found 7 so far to abuse.

Who is "we" lol

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well i found them but i'm sure apollo and kenobi and more people also found them already daily i find more

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The only way to fix this problem with user accounts being stolen and ill-used is to do one of two things:

1) Close EOServ Source.

Make sure nobody can edit the password salt and ensure that it remains secured. 

Lots of people will cry and purposefully injure themselves.

2) Upgrade the security of SLN.

Add some extra data transfer between an EOServ server and SLN. Have SLN check the server for changes in the password salt or removal of the password salt. If this part of the coding is tampered with, deny the SLN update request. Lets face it, SLN is 90% of the reason servers can even attract players.

Well, I'm no expert but something along those lines might help even just a bit. By removing the password salt and stealing peoples account credentials, you are just confirming what Vult-r warned his community in the past: That EOServ private servers may steal your account information and not to trust them. Irony anyone?

If this can't be done, then the least that could be done is have a warning displayed on SLN before a user enters a pservers website, noting that the security of the server is down to the owners and that they're entering at their own risk, eoserv has nothing to do with the software onces it has been downloaded and edited by someone else. Or something along those lines.

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elevations posted: (12th Feb 2011 03:07 am)

Apollo posted: (12th Feb 2011 01:29 am)

Yes, I remember this. Bart was checking the bard exploit to see if a server could be crashed with it... what happened was this information was learned by Elevations (you can see that it is Bart talking to Elevations in the chatlog) and used against all of the other servers that posed any kindofthreat against FE.

Elevations then used a program that he stole from jimmyee (if you have played FE and use a same password elsewhere, change it now) to send these false packets to servers that did not have proper state checks in the new handlers that have been added in addition to Sausage's work. Elevationsusedthis same attack against my server while sarcastically denying it. Once I applied the fix, he returned to my server throwing a tantrum because he couldn't crash it.

Basically, no one is stupid Elefag. We all realize this post was you. Your story might have sounded better if you had not said you "sent a picture of this conversation to Elevations" when in fact it is obvious the image shown is Elevation's desktop. Brilliant troll, but not good enough. Gobackto viewing your players private conversations on your server and phishing their passwords. You said you "don't need this community", in that case stay the fuck out of it. Stop taking the pussy way out when you think some other server poses yours some competition. If you can't be a man then getyourfat ass back to the kitchen where you belong (which is most likely where you are when I posted this).

Have a great day and gtfo.

Ok.. so basically Apollo, you just lied and tryed to cover Bart's ass by saying that screenshot was my desktop when it isn't? and that i was the one using jimmyee's program when i'm not?

1. Bart just admited that he was using that program and wiped it from his PC.

2. In my 2nd screenshot showing ele's history you can clearly see Bart sent the first link to the image of his desktop to my MSN. not the other way round.

3. Apollo you want me to take the pussy way out so you can try to hide the fact your the one going around crashing servers? with plasmastar and jimmyee by your side?

Pathetic

Everyone can clearly see EOSERV is corrupt full of moderators who host EOSERV and are trying to take out other servers because there server fails.

Just wait till i expose the rest of you. Not that anyone gives a flying fuck.

Ok so basically, you've been banned at least 5 times now, and you continue to come back. I think your ego got way too inflated over all of this. You definitely need to be brought down a few notches for your own safety.

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I want everyone to read this. That includes Elevations, so if he can't see it, someone please make sure to forward it to him or ensure that he can see it.

The Endless Online Private Server business is one that's developing at a rapid rate. New servers appear each day, with new players to match. Fallen Evolution is very successful, but it won't be the only one to occupy the top spots within the coming weeks and months. 

What each and every server has to realise is that for it to succeed, the others do not have to lose. There are 361,000,000 active users of the internet worldwide, each one of which is a potential new player, and even divided by a thousand there is still too many for any one server to handle. The market is growing, new people log on for the first time every day, and there is more than enough room for each server to co-exist.

What everyone needs to understand is that Fallen Evolution, like every other server, deserves credit where credit is due. Even if a server reuses game code, graphics or other resources, it's still the effort on the part of the server itself to implement it in a way unique to their server and make it appealing to their players, and that in itself is not a simple task.

However for each server to accept that credit, they must operate in a fair and ethical manner. They need to respect their players and their private details when they sign up. Staff are obliged to see to the needs of their players, as it's players that make each server tick. Without them there would be no game, no ad clicks, no server. Likewise each server needs to respect its competitors. Each decent private server should have virtually no interest in what the other private servers are doing, other than to ensure the server is on par with the offerings of its competitors.

There is no reason for anyone to have a dispute with another. You focus on your own server and making it successful. Do not worry in the slightest about what other servers are doing. If someone uses a graphic that you created for your server a while back, then it may require nothing more than a simple request that they remove it. If they don't comply, then it may be a simple case of tough shit, deal with it. Rest assured that any server that can't create its own materials will always struggle to keep up with those that can, and use that to your advantage. You don't need to spam, or DDoS. You just need to keep advancing your server piece of by piece to stay one step ahead.

That's the way competition works. Hell, that's capitalism.

So yes, I do give credit to Fallen Evolution for what they've achieved. I give credit to each individual server for their achievements as well and even to the EOSERV guys for what they've pulled off over the last 2 years. I still believe we have a long way to go though, and I think now is a good time for us to start making some changes in our conduct, our ethics and the way we operate our servers if we (as in any of us, individual or server) intend to progress any further going into the future.

Players do hold some responsibilities when playing private servers as well. The best advice I can offer is that no matter whether you like a particular server or not, negative reviews aren't going to mean shit in this game. Jumping across to another server and attempting to take players from it, or spamming another server with positive or negative commentary doesn't do anything. If someone is on a server, it means they've chosen to be on that server and all you're doing is wasting your time.

If you like a server, stick with it. Don't spam it elsewhere. Enjoy playing the game on your server of choice. Likewise if you don't like a server, then switch and be done with it. There's several other servers out there you can play, so pick one and get back to what matters- your entertainment.

Finally, for every script kiddie, for every hacker or attacker, you need to find something better to do. Taking out one server doesn't make any of the others look better. It doesn't even make their server look worse. It makes you look like a complete dickhead, and that's all it achieves. Sure, we've probably all looked into it or tried it once, and that's fine, I know I was messing with OS level insecurities years ago. If you do this to prove a point though, or you just find it fun, then you're wasting your life. Simple enough. We don't have a lot of time on this earth, and the precious time we do have should not be spent trying to take our a server because you got banned from it, or because you don't like it. It's bullshit, and you secretly know it.

What I want to see is a competitive market where the only competition is individuals making their own servers better and better. No arguments or disputes between each server or its staff. All that matters is your server, your players, and in some cases your revenues. EOSERV will still be around, developing the software and furthering the codebase, but ultimately EOSERV and the SLN should have nothing to do with the servers other than to further its development. We will not be an advertising agency for your server and we will not make sure everyone is playing nice, because we shouldn't have to. You're a bunch of new and upcoming private servers run by a skilled bunch of people, and you should at the very least be better than some of the conduct i'm seeing from you guys at the moment.

Best of luck to everyone. Take this advice wisely, it could save yourself and your server a lot of hassle in the short and long run. It could even earn you further success.

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sblord posted: (12th Feb 2011 10:51 am)

The Endless Online Private Server business is one that's developing at a rapid rate. New servers appear each day, with new players to match. Fallen Evolution is very successful, but it won't be the only one to occupy the top spots within the coming weeks and months. 

What each and every server has to realise is that for it to succeed, the others do not have to lose. There are 361,000,000 active users of the internet worldwide, each one of which is a potential new player, and even divided by a thousand there is still too many for any one server tohandle. The market is growing, new people log on for the first time every day, and there is more than enough room for each server to co-exist.

What everyone needs to understand is that Fallen Evolution, like every other server, deserves credit where credit is due. Even if a server reuses game code, graphics or other resources, it's still the effort on the part of the server itself to implement it in a way unique to their server andmake it appealing to their players, and that in itself is not a simple task.

However for each server to accept that credit, they must operate in a fair and ethical manner. They need to respect their players and their private details when they sign up. Staff are obliged to see to the needs of their players, as it's players that make each server tick. Without them therewould be no game, no ad clicks, no server. Likewise each server needs to respect its competitors. Each decent private server should have virtually no interest in what the other private servers are doing, other than to ensure the server is on par with the offerings of its competitors.

There is no reason for anyone to have a dispute with another. You focus on your own server and making it successful. Do not worry in the slightest about what other servers are doing. If someone uses a graphic that you created for your server a while back, then it may require nothing more than asimple request that they remove it. If they don't comply, then it may be a simple case of tough shit, deal with it. Rest assured that any server that can't create its own materials will always struggle to keep up with those that can, and use that to your advantage. You don't need to spam, or DDoS.You just need to keep advancing your server piece of by piece to stay one step ahead.

That's the way competition works. Hell, that's capitalism.

So yes, I do give credit to Fallen Evolution for what they've achieved. I give credit to each individual server for their achievements as well and even to the EOSERV guys for what they've pulled off over the last 2 years.

Players do hold some responsibilities when playing private servers as well. The best advice I can offer is that no matter whether you like a particular server or not, negative reviews aren't going to mean shit in this game. Jumping across to another server and attempting to take players from it,or spamming another server with positive or negative commentary doesn't do anything. If someone is on a server, it means they've chosen to be on that server and all you're doing is wasting your time.

If you like a server, stick with it. Don't spam it elsewhere. Enjoy playing the game on your server of choice. Likewise if you don't like a server, then switch and be done with it. There's several other servers out there you can play, so pick one and get back to what matters- yourentertainment.

Finally, for every script kiddie, for every hacker or attacker, you need to find something better to do. Taking out one server doesn't make any of the others look better. It doesn't even make their server look worse. It makes you look like a complete dickhead, and that's all it achieves.Sure, we've probably all looked into it or tried it once, and that's fine, I know I was messing with OS level insecurities years ago. If you do this to prove a point though, or you just find it fun, then you're wasting your life. Simple enough. We don't have a lot of time on this earth, and theprecious time we do have should not be spent trying to take our a server because you got banned from it, or because you don't like it. It's bullshit, and you secretly know it.

What I want to see is a competitive market where the only competition is individuals making their own servers better and better. No arguments or disputes between each server or its staff. All that matters is your server, your players, and in some cases your revenues. EOSERV will still be around,developing the software and furthering the codebase, but ultimately EOSERV and the SLN should have nothing to do with the servers other than to further its development. We will not be an advertising agency for your server and we will not make sure everyone is playing nice, because we shouldn't haveto. You're a bunch of new and upcoming private servers run by a skilled bunch of people, and you should at the very least be better than some of the conduct i'm seeing from you guys at the moment.

Best of luck to everyone. Take this advice wisely, it could save yourself and your server a lot of hassle in the short and long run. It could even earn you further success.

Holy f*** bro, you sure spent time writing in a "elefag" thread, im like 20% readt, ill read it all

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iSnow posted: (12th Feb 2011 10:54 am)

Holy f*** bro, you sure spent time writing in a "elefag" thread, im like 20% readt, ill read it all

Sure did. Partially because of the "elefag" issue, I believe that unless we resolve our differences between servers and administrators, FE/Elevations included, it will do nothing but slowly destroy the market for such servers. Remember that it's not us against each other, it's us against every other 2D MMORPG out there, and we simply don't have time to be arguing in this situation.

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