Forum :: Lounge :: What caused the Server Wars?

snoopieboy posted: (10th Feb 2011 05:41 pm)

Anger posted: (10th Feb 2011 05:12 pm)

Kaylinz posted: (10th Feb 2011 05:03 pm)

Well both of the server's are to blame Bu and FE both DDOS each other and steal from each other and each side is not being mature enough to take the blame.

Your wrong, BU doesnt DDOS anyone, you should have seen that by how often BU crashes and FE stays up...

So might aswell search for more information about posting stuff like this accusing us.

Actually, BU indeed does DDoS. I was admin from v3 to v7 and I clearly remember Bone asking me and Whitefox to DDoS because Jade Empire "stole" graphics from BU, so Kyle got pissed and ordered us to DDoS. I decided not to DDoS and just go and talk to the owner of Jade, and got them to take down"BU" graphics. DDos isn't the way to go, peace & patience is the key to success.

P.s. At around v12 when Addison was an admin I was at admin room with all the admins including Bone and he asked someone to DDoS FE. By that time FE didn't have the 3 nodes. Now FE has 3 nodes which prevent it from getting "crashed" by DDoS attacks.


Anyway, this whole "war" is pretty stupid. Ele nor Bone shouldn't get pissed. Both servers are good in their own way, they have decent ammount of players, both servers have double the "features" Main/Test had. In my opinion, FE and BU should make truce and forget the whole thing, not start a "war"because one server has 56 players online and the other 57.

Honestly, like I said, BU and FE should make truce and just forget this. They should be happy both have over 50 players daily. Not end up like a "nooby" server that max online = 7 and is all admin and stuff.

What would be awesome is for FE and BU to make up, and possible combine both servers. If both servers already reached 100 players at some points, wouldn't it be "better" to have 100 online daily and max of like 200 ?

I can say this is a completely made up story, BU has never asked anyone to DDoS anyone, even at the worst times we have been threw all we need is someone DDoSing and making the situation worst.

Er, I can see what snoopie is saying, I've seen similar things.

But the art point is kind of invalid. Neither server stole directly from the other, it's been the odd individual who feels so inclined to dig through a server's GFX, rip out a few frames, and call it their own art.

Once they do that, they run, hop, and skip over to the other server, submit it and call it theirs. The servers can't prove this, though I've seen it happen. But the servers and their respective admins have not done this, during their admin position anyway to my knowledge. I've also seen resized CG art with a little iso altercations in various places, which is totally cheating D:.

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Were you an admin on v3-v7? Were you around when JE was on? I don't think so.

1) Get your facts right

2) I clearly remember Bone asking me and Whitefox to DDoS Jade Empire. Whitefox had MSN'd me a file called "LOIC" (Low Orbit Ion Cannon), which is a program to DDoS. I remember when Whitefox was saying "I attacked" I checked Sordie's server checker to see if it was online or not.

3) It's pretty obvious your BU friends will come and back you up because you're from BU and they support you, but inside I know I am right.

4) Obviously you and Bone and your friends will say "we never DDoSed anyone", when it's all clearly bullshit.

5) I joined BU way before it was even BU and was still Tehbyte. Without Tehbyte, BU would never exist. Before BU I was the admin of Bone in Tehbyte. When Tehbyte went down BU was made and I was hired. That was when all the good admins were still there. Chibi, Lissette, Whitefox, Tracy, Amy, and Hiuru in his female character.

snoopieboy posted: (10th Feb 2011 06:18 pm)

Were you an admin on v3-v7? Were you around when JE was on? I don't think so.

1) Get your facts right

2) I clearly remember Bone asking me and Whitefox to DDoS Jade Empire. Whitefox had MSN'd me a file called "LOIC" (Low Orbit Ion Cannon), which is a program to DDoS. I remember when Whitefox was saying "I attacked" I checked Sordie's server checker to see if it was online or not.

3) It's pretty obvious your BU friends will come and back you up because you're from BU and they support you, but inside I know I am right.

4) Obviously you and Bone and your friends will say "we never DDoSed anyone", when it's all clearly bullshit.

5) I joined BU way before it was even BU and was still Tehbyte. Without Tehbyte, BU would never exist. Before BU I was the admin of Bone in Tehbyte. When Tehbyte went down BU was made and I was hired. That was when all the good admins were still there. Chibi, Lissette, Whitefox, Tracy, Amy, andHiuru in his female character.

I don't think FE can be DDoSed anymore. Elevations has done a smart thing and lets Scott handle networking. Scott has it sealed up pretty damn good.

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@Addison Yeah, he set up 3 nodes, therefore it's real hard near impossible to knock FE down.

@Anger You clearly are blind and do not have your facts straight. I did crash Jade Empire along Whitefox several times using LOIC. I decided I was wrong to do so and I decided to go a speak to owner and got them to take off the "stolen graphics"

And about the admins, when did I ask you for your opinion? I have my own opinion on each of them and I do not need your opinions. I respect your opinions but I do not need them.

P.s. knowing you would say I "rebel" against BU for "firing me"

I clearly do NOT care about BU, or FE anymore. I quit FE/BU/EO. I'm here to speak the truth. Obviously you'd try to defend BU/flame me since you work in BU and like it, which I respect, but, I do not care, that does not affect me, and in any way I am not degrading and bashing BU intentionally. Maybe the things I say and the way I speak may leadyou to think I am "bashing" BU, but no. Bone is a good friend of mine, and so are a few people from BU. I have nothing against BU. Just wanted to let the truth out.

And, yeah, I'm degrading BU by giving them the compliment that they have 50+ players and is a good server. So is FE. But you all have your views, and I respect them.

and Anger, you seem like a pretty nice guy, don't ruin it D:

All of you accusing Elevations of DDoSing BU, are silly, considering he doesn't know how to do a such a thing.

I think naturally server wars will arise between those aiming for the top in the SNL. Just like when a server has a top 100 list, all the players start acting uppity because they're all aiming for the top. Just like that rush you get when having an intense argument with others.

Snoopie makes very good points, so I'll have to say I agree with you somewhat. Though I don't think combining FE & BU is a good idea, that's asking a bit much, lol.
 
This is sort of something I've been thinking about, so I thought I'd just put it out there. If any of the servers are successful in going fully custom, custom client etc..and are no longer just an "EoServer", why should the rivalries continue? Do you see FLYff competing with WoW, attacking them,going on there games and purposely advertising other games? Do other games purposely compete harass, and attack each other? Not necessarily. Every game have different goals, and purposes for existing. Whether it's to make money, make a game that people will enjoy, or for the workers to expressthemselves at what they do best.

As servers, we all have our goals too. Sure being on the top of the SNL might be one of them. But fighting and attacking other servers isn't the way to get it. It's stupid and it's childish. Being a moderator, its the same stupidity I deal with all day. "He started it", "she did this", "he didthat". He said, she said. There is no legitimate reason to be attacking each other. And there is absolutely no reason to have little "server wars". The moment we do that, we're lowering ourselves to the brain capacity of those little noobs who run around our servers, who act childish and due totheir idiotic nature, get banned or punished for their ways.

I'm not going to act like a saint, because I have in fact stood up for FE and said things/comebacks arguments towards other servers in the past. Things that were lies, and things that I do not believe. I honestly don't know if either server did the things that they were alleged to do. Naturally, when you are attacked you feel the need to defend. It doesn't make it right, because none of us like being accused for things we didn't do. And we shouldn't be harassing or flaming each other, making accusations that we know nothing about. In all honesty, I think some of us in this topic should grow up and do this same. 

A rivalry isn't getting us anywhere. It creates unnecessary drama that only limits our abilities. This isn't a competition. There is no prize for the better server, and at the end of the day, who cares. All servers are composed of the staff teams who work hard and enjoy doing what they do, for players who enjoy playing their games. As long as you have that, that's enough.

At the end of the day, as long as we continue to limit ourselves. We will always have server wars, and if we all individually have no goals to generate our servers to reach our goals then we'll always stay this way and continue like this, being childish.

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Elaine posted: (10th Feb 2011 07:08 pm)

All of you accusing Elevations of DDoSing BU, are silly, considering he doesn't know how to do a such a thing.

I think naturally server wars will arise between those aiming for the top in the SNL. Just like when a server has a top 100 list, all the players start acting uppity because they're all aiming for the top. Just like that rush you get when having an intense argument with others.

Snoopie makes very good points, so I'll have to say I agree with you somewhat. Though I don't think combining FE & BU is a good idea, that's asking a bit much, lol.
 
This is sort of something I've been thinking about, so I thought I'd just put it out there. If any of the servers are successful in going fully custom, custom client etc..and are no longer just an "EoServer", why should the rivalries continue? Do you see FLYff competing with WoW, attackingthem,going on there games and purposely advertising other games? Do other games purposely compete harass, and attack each other? Not necessarily. Every game have different goals, and purposes for existing. Whether it's to make money, make a game that people will enjoy, or for the workers toexpressthemselves at what they do best.

As servers, we all have our goals too. Sure being on the top of the SNL might be one of them. But fighting and attacking other servers isn't the way to get it. It's stupid and it's childish. Being a moderator, its the same stupidity I deal with all day. "He started it", "she did this", "hedidthat". He said, she said. There is no legitimate reason to be attacking each other. And there is absolutely no reason to have little "server wars". The moment we do that, we're lowering ourselves to the brain capacity of those little noobs who run around our servers, who act childish and duetotheir idiotic nature, get banned or punished for their ways.

I'm not going to act like a saint, because I have in fact stood up for FE and said things/comebacks arguments towards other servers in the past. Things that were lies, and things that I do not believe. I honestly don't know if either server did the things that they were alleged to do. Naturally,when you are attacked you feel the need to defend. It doesn't make it right, because none of us like being accused for things we didn't do. And we shouldn't be harassing or flaming each other, making accusations that we know nothing about. In all honesty, I think some of us in this topic shouldgrow up and do this same. 

A rivalry isn't getting us anywhere. It creates unnecessary drama that only limits our abilities. This isn't a competition. There is no prize for the better server, and at the end of the day, who cares. All servers are composed of the staff teams who work hard and enjoy doing what they do, forplayers who enjoy playing their games. As long as you have that, that's enough.

At the end of the day, as long as we continue to limit ourselves. We will always have server wars, and if we all individually have no goals to generate our servers to reach our goals then we'll always stay this way and continue like this, being childish.

Hi Elaine, it's Anti ;3

Anyway, the server combine thing was just an example.

Like we both said people.

Server "wars" are pretty damn stupid. Sure, it's cool to be #1, but if I were in charge of BU or FE, I really wouldn't care if I was #1 or #2. Neither BU or FE are #1. Players come and go, every day you both have 50+ players, compared to other servers who have 2-3 online.

You shouldn't fight over who's #1, both servers are good ones and really there's not a reason to have a "war". You're both on the top 3. Be glad.

Hello,

The server war bullshit is just tiresome. Simply because I work for FE I'm suddenly considered a badguy with bad intentions anywhere I go. It's simply childish.

The reason I don't think FE+BU combination would work is because of the server wars. As I stated in my post. We all have different reasons, as well as goals when making our servers. The reason we war is because in some places we overlap, but in others we have different goals. Combining any server is way too much of a hassle.

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@Snoopiedog You may have no asked but i have the right of free speech when ever i like and wish.

@Elaine I do agree with some and some i don't.

A war is defined by two or more ppl or faction fighting each other for the beliefs or rights they feel are valued and true. This does not apply here at all, simply because i nor BU are at war with anyone, or anything. By not attacking FE even once in the history of BU. Granted i have been defending attacks from FE wich if you read jimmy's log you will see ele clearly admits to this. As for any other servers and claims of being in this so called war, are irrelevent. Clearly we are referring to BU vs FE as this "server war"

omg why are you guys fighting over people who can clearly stand up for themselves? Since u bring up my name, Anger, I dont know u but I know u are fighting over stuff u dont kno about cuz ppl are bringing up crap about each other that happened way before u knew about the server.  I think it's just cute and adorable for u to pick up w/e info u get from over there and try to stick up for Bone but u look pretty naive doing it.

Main eo was thorougly messed up by the players themselves and it was pushed and pushed til Vult-r gave up on it.  There are very few eo players now and we look to this forum to learn and get help.  Yawll gonna just keep ruining it with ur stupid grudges.

Come on, just forgive and forget and if u want ur server on top, then do it without the cheap shots.

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Addison posted: (10th Feb 2011 06:46 pm)

I don't think FE can be DDoSed anymore. Elevations has done a smart thing and lets Scott handle networking. Scott has it sealed up pretty damn good.

So I've been told aswell. 

Before replying, make sure you read the WHOLE post.

Ok I'll tell you what I know about this server war, this is based on what I saw and know.

At the time the server started I was NOT part of Fallen Evolution, I got fired and I left it was a stupid reason in my opinion.

Anyway, I went on Bones Underground to check out the server, I've heard rumors of them indeed stealing artwork.

When I browser their forums I saw allot of topics concerning this, but ignored most of it.

I went on Bones Underground myself and witnessed the pixel art that was being used without permission.

You can deny they didn't but they did, if you really want solid proof give me a minute and I'll ask the rightfull owners.

Anyway, an artist was suprised his art was on Bones Underground because he recently made it and never gave it to anyone else besides Fallen Evolution.

He went on the Bones Underground forums and spammed the forums with "Penis" and "Gay Pr0n" he did this on own accord.

He wasn't ordered to do this by Elevations or anyone else, the only fact is that he worked for Fallen Evolution.

At that time Bones Underground was DDoSing Jade Empire, this is a fact.

Snoopy got hacked on his account, and I was on the forums watching it all.

This was at I think V 5 or 6, not sure, but anyway Snoopy's story about that is true.

Now the other side of the story, when I was online on Bones Underground I spoke to a few admins concerning the art work.

I noticed some admins were called "pixel artists" but I've known them longer and I call them "art thefts".

They gained the admin status by calling someone elses work theirs, Bone didn't know a thing about this.

I spoke to Bone about it and he fired a few admins that were the art thefts, also he gave credit to their rightfull owners.

While we spoke about all this, Bones Underground and the Fallen Evolution players were already pointing finger to eachother.

It's funny this was actually a missunderstanding at first, but since everyone pointed fingers hate grew bigger and bigger.

I try to keep myself out of this, because I do not dislike anyone and I know what happened and I know what is true.

You can believe me or not but this is all I have to tell you guys, and all I know.