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WTF happened to eoserv? People lost their respect to each other. All started to act competitive to other. All trying to do a better server than other and when they cant, they are trying to ruin others work. Is that respect? No. I suppose that forum created for a purpose. To make a server ready to use him who ever wants to have a private EO. Why someone want a private EO? Because we love that game for his simplicity. We want to rescue EO spirit. We want to keep vult'r work alive. We honor him and if let us, we would help him to make a better EO. But then people lost their RESPECT to that dream. Lost ther faith. You all want to have free codes, pixels, maps but when they ask yours, you refuse. Is that the eoserv spirit? That was what sausage imagine when building that? I dont know how old are you... what country you come from and what your parents told you about respect. But if you want my opinion, your childish behavour ruin eo, and will ruin eoserv too.

P.s. sorry for my english, thats the best i can do(at least i am talking YOUR language)

P.s.2 When i say "YOUR" i dont mean all eoserv community, because some people really got my respect, althought most of you dont know me.

daytaurato posted: (2nd Dec 2010 01:15 pm)

WTF happened to eoserv? People lost their respect to each other. All started to act competitive to other. All trying to do a better server than other and when they cant, they are trying to ruin others work. Is that respect? No. I suppose that forum created for a purpose. To make a server readytouse him who ever wants to have a private EO. Why someone want a private EO? Because we love that game for his simplicity. We want to rescue EO spirit. We want to keep vult'r work alive. We honor him and if let us, we would help him to make a better EO. But then people lost their RESPECT tothatdream. Lost ther faith. You all want to have free codes, pixels, maps but when they ask yours, you refuse. Is that the eoserv spirit? That was what sausage imagine when building that? I dont know how old are you... what country you come from and what your parents told you about respect. But ifyouwant my opinion, your childish behavour ruin eo, and will ruin eoserv too.

P.s. sorry for my english, thats the best i can do(at least i am talking YOUR language)

P.s.2 When i say "YOUR" i dont mean all eoserv community, because some people really got my respect, althought most of you dont know me.

I don't think most people appriciate it when you say; Keep vult-r's work alive. Theres this simple rule that we aren't able to "steal" things from vult-r. As far as I know, sausage started EOSERV to prove something to Vult-r, if I'm correct. Not to see us all working happy to gether. Some people dorelease and do help this communitie, but thats like building a sand castle when it rains. You got to earn respect, you won't get it by compiling a server and releasing it for other player. that brings more people to this forums begging for codes or fixes. People start to server war because theythink their server is better then the others. Lol? You're limited to a certain client with an EOSERV server. How can you become better then anyone else? Creating more features? More GFX? More maps? Maybe, but that doesn't last for long. If you really want to reach something you should collect agood team of hard working members with each their knowledge about things. Thats were it all starts. Creating your own project/game.

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You people take all this to serious..it's hard to believe you have all forgot it's just a game.

It doesn't matter at all to most of us about making money or Evolving the gaming world as you all want to do, it's about making a game fun and some of us are doing that using the tools that have been made and suplied here.

Problems in this community stem from the scum you have in your own mits that prey,cheat,hack,lie, and manipulate people(yeah i'm talking about you scott and addison)and all the others
that do the same behind all your backs..you may call them friends but if they can do stuff like that to others they will do it to you eventually.

Having respect for a so called hacker is just pathetic actually being a hacker is pathetic because mostly all they do is harm others with no thought for the reprocusions..or are so afriad they hide behind programs to safe guard them from being found out..I dont call that smart i call that cowardly and frightened like a little wimp.
Sorry to see your community falling apart but it was bound to happen if you find respect in being hackers and letting your own people hurt others when this whole project was about making an emulater so that others had access to the eo engine and make more fun games.

BTW eo itself has always been a rip off of other games and vult-r doesn't own the engine he just used it like we all do.

Amytheevil posted: (2nd Dec 2010 04:46 pm)

You people take all this to serious..it's hard to believe you have all forgot it's just a game.

It doesn't matter at all to most of us about making money or Evolving the gaming world as you all want to do, it's about making a game fun and some of us are doing that using the tools that have been made and suplied here.

Problems in this community stem from the scum you have in your own mits that prey,cheat,hack,lie, and manipulate people(yeah i'm talking about you scott and addison)and all the others
that do the same behind all your backs..you may call them friends but if they can do stuff like that to others they will do it to you eventually.

Having respect for a so called hacker is just pathetic actually being a hacker is pathetic because mostly all they do is harm others with no thought for the reprocusions..or are so afriad they hide behind programs to safe guard them from being found out..I dont call that smart i call thatcowardly and frightened like a little wimp.
Sorry to see your community falling apart but it was bound to happen if you find respect in being hackers and letting your own people hurt others when this whole project was about making an emulater so that others had access to the eo engine and make more fun games.

BTW eo itself has always been a rip off of other games and vult-r doesn't own the engine he just used it like we all do.

Well it's not entirely surprising that we have so many "hackers" around here, most of this community started off from EOHax. Anyhow, I wouldn't blame the "hackers" for the decline of the EOServ project. EO was dying years ago, there have been attempts to resurrect the game but in the end there's not much you can do.

On a side note, what makes you think Vult doesn't own the engine? As far as I remember he coded it all himself with some borland libraries

Cuz he ripped off Dark Ages to make EO

Honestly, I agree with Yuko. Scott, you had no grounds to ban her, there is no rule against posting any sort of information, even if moderators think it may or may not be false. Amy did not break any rules when posting what she said, just as I am not breaking any rules by adding constructive information to this topic and post.

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Yuko posted: (2nd Dec 2010 07:42 pm)

Amytheevil posted: (2nd Dec 2010 04:46 pm)

You people take all this to serious..it's hard to believe you have all forgot it's just a game.

It doesn't matter at all to most of us about making money or Evolving the gaming world as you all want to do, it's about making a game fun and some of us are doing that using the tools that have been made and suplied here.

Problems in this community stem from the scum you have in your own mits that prey,cheat,hack,lie, and manipulate people(yeah i'm talking about you scott and addison)and all the others
that do the same behind all your backs..you may call them friends but if they can do stuff like that to others they will do it to you eventually.

Having respect for a so called hacker is just pathetic actually being a hacker is pathetic because mostly all they do is harm others with no thought for the reprocusions..or are so afriad they hide behind programs to safe guard them from being found out..I dont call that smart i callthatcowardly and frightened like a little wimp.
Sorry to see your community falling apart but it was bound to happen if you find respect in being hackers and letting your own people hurt others when this whole project was about making an emulater so that others had access to the eo engine and make more fun games.

BTW eo itself has always been a rip off of other games and vult-r doesn't own the engine he just used it like we all do.

All this amy said is true, and second, scott we have chatlogs to prove they attacked bu, also why ban for posting the truth about something? seems as you cant take the truth. man up and respond it the same way she did, giving a -2 and banning her from here, aint gonna keep her away she can simplychange ip, tho youll just keep on banning cuz you got nothing else to do then ban, well what i do have to tell you is... Maybe sausage needs some new moderation for these forums, scott, addison, and others just do like they own these forums, maybe thats why EOserv is dieing like this... and problythis will get me a ban also, cuz people cant seem to see the truth, or hear the truth.

I tried a nicer approach of arguing last time, but i'm starting to come around to Addy's. I'm a moderator because I am a respected programmer for EOSERV and can help members when needed. I can also moderate forums quite well. I don't care about what I did on BU anymore. I am still a respected member of the EOSERV staff no matter what.

Quite being dramatic dumbasses and blaming us for the 'downfall' of EOSERV. If the whole moderation team left, i'm sure it wouldn't make EOSERV any better. It's dying because a lot of the code is finally finished and has been released, and people have started to move on in their lives.

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dxstephdx posted: (2nd Dec 2010 07:24 pm)

Cuz he ripped off Dark Ages to make EO

Even if he did rip off the style of gameplay he didn't steal their code. He coded it all himself.

And about amy, I wouldn't have gone that far but it's not hard to understand why she got banned. You try calling other forum mods liars or manipulators and see how far you make it.

This needs to stop. I have tried to find something in this thread that was on-topic and not an attack on another player or a certain server, very little was left after I deleted it.

If you want the 411 here it is:

Vult-r is a former hacker, and he went on to code an entire set of tools as well as developed the format of all files and resources used with Endless Online (including client, server, map editor, animation editor, and public file tools) all in under a year. 

Most of the big stuff that has been added to your private servers through release, compilation, or by having Addison himself help you has been a combo effort from Addison, Bart, and me. We have put a lot of hours (and I mean a lot) into making EOSERV emulate EndlessOnline as it should. While the three of us are by no means the calibur of programmers that Sausage, Rena, Sordie, Vult-r, and Cascade are, we have certainly give this our best effort in making the emulation as close to the original as possible. While Addison is correct in saying thatthe project has been all but completed and there is little else to do, it is all depends on how you look at it. While EOSERV is a bit buggy, it can be used as a learning tool to break the boundaries of "EO" and write a client that will succeed the original in terms oflimitations and functionality. The problem isn't the community falling apart, it is a lack of things to do. If you want to bitch about everyone and their server go somewhere else. This is not the place for you to be.

For those of you that make admin on your servers out of the eoserv.net staff and something goes wrong... we don't care. You make the choice of who your admin are. Blame yourself. As a matter of fact, if someone is coding for you then pay them. It is well more worth the money than being an admin,trust me.

If anyone else can add something to this thread that is worth keeping it open, please reply.  

 

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no offense to anyone but i think the problem is  that the developers got bored of there own project in mid development.this is the same downfall that occurred to EO it self.the only way the EOServ project could possibly continue on is for a group of people actually work together as a team and code an open source client capable of customization like the server software is.

this however has been an effort that singular coders have attempted who begrudgingly show there unfinished work.and it seems a majority of the custom client projects have stopped dead in there tracks when it came to networking with the EOserv software. this may be due to the fact that  it would require heavy math and advanced algorithms to accomplish a decently functional client which would not be easily manipulated by hackers.it may be true that this community and project was started by hackers.i for one think that that should be used as a good tool to develope  both the client and server to be less full of exploits and glitches.use your skills of finding the exploits for good verses guerrilla tactics to thwart other peoples projects.

another issue which has not only been very rampant but offensive to graphic artist's has been the prospect of project specific art work being plagiarized.this of course is fed by the fact that the all these servers them selves have been and are continuing to use a pirated client.wich has limited graphics protection and little encryption capabilities.so again it falls back to the client.

i may just be a Digital artist and i have no coding back ground. as others do but i can see where this projects community is lacking.its quite simple to be a real complete emulator a client wich can emulate the original games functionality or better it in some way is the absolute next step needed.

the problem here i can see is every ones at each others throats being argumentative instead of co-operative.its strangely counter productive for many of you to be this way.

some say the project is dead and to walk away but ive seen whole communities based on the thought of a game being released even years later after the previous game had long been collecting proverbial dust on the shelves.and the thought that 2-D isometric is dead is foolish to think there are many people of all ages who still prefer those kind of games.its not a factor of living in the past. its a factor of what kind of game you enjoy playing.

i saw people rally together to attempt Project Green. which wasn't a bad plan but it left an incomplete project laying here.and a community of people feeling dejected much like the original EO projects community.before moving on and leaving something wich you have all invested so much time and effort into.why not give it one last final try to make this something good for many.and if Sausage initially started this project to prove a point to Vult-r then ..<No offense to you or the software you have completed> i say your falling short of your goals.unless you intended to emulate his abandonment of his own project as well.

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I agree Xlembros, but to make a minor correction not all of us have quit working on the project. I do make minor fixes here and there to EOSERV. As far as a client goes, I doubt one will come from Sausage because frankly he is burnt out on EO, but I wouldn't rule out that no one is working on one ;)

Xlembros posted: (2nd Dec 2010 09:27 pm)

i saw people rally together to attempt Project Green. which wasn't a bad plan but it left an incomplete project laying here.and a community of people feeling dejected much like the original EO projects community.before moving on and leaving something wich you have all invested so much time andeffort into.why not give it one last final try to make this something good for many.and if Sausage initially started this project to prove a point to Vult-r then ..<No offense to you or the software you have completed> i say your falling short of your goals.unless you intended to emulate hisabandonment of his own project as well.

You're acting as if we've given up on that project. We're still working on it, there hasn't been any updates on the forum or blog but that doesn't mean the project is dead. It takes some time to get the ball rolling.

By the way, are you interested in helping us with the project?

addy posted: (2nd Dec 2010 08:13 pm)

And about amy, I wouldn't have gone that far but it's not hard to understand why she got banned. You try calling other forum mods liars or manipulators and see how far you make it.

True, easy to see how one in a staff position could be provoked resulting in a ban, but EOSERV staff, most notably Scott, were way too quick to pull the trigger on discussions. We've said it time and time again in the IRC channel, if this was EOHax, the moderators and staff would have joined in the thread, contributed, maybe hammered it out a bit and come to a conclusion. There was no rating system, no comments, and the tools were weeded out as part of the natural operation of the forum. As a result the community could go on for days without any staff intervention and still continue to work as normal, save for a little moving topics to the right forum here and there.

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its true eoserv is falling apart and that suave is being a complete and udder hemorrhoid but to those small portion of people that actually feel some sense of accomplishment for making a server successful and completely your own creation is all you need to keep going hell iv been at this since i was 14 and im 16 now and i still feel great that i accomplished making my own mmorpg world it may not be the greatest but its something iv always wanted to do

and suave seriously man stop being a hemorrhoid cause thats the worst pain in the ass there is