Forum :: Lounge :: Unethical SLN behavior

I normally would never point a finger at any given server and the way they choose to operate, but given the current status of the SLN I feel I must. It appears that Fallen Evolution is using an exploit that activates offline players to appear online to the SLN. What this means is that a false number of players are shown to the SLN. The only thing I need to say here is that it really takes away from your server's integrity to have to "fake" your online count to appear successful. What will this accomplish? I could basically write a script and release it to "fake" every single player in a server's database, even to the point of having them interact, train, etc., OR you are going to wind up getting Sausage's attention on the matter and probably cause him to remove the player counts, or do away with the SLN altogether.

I look at it like this, if you "think" your server is so shitty that you have to fake having players online, I would wonder if everyone else is "thinking" the same thing... You have lost much respect here bro.

If any server does that then the blacklist is feeling kind of empty. (Assuming you actually have any evidence at all that there isn't actually 130 people playing.)

I really hate it to. All I thought was Bones-Underground went down and all moved to FE for there boredom. But i was wrong. I think the Blacklist is feeling empty to.

Before you accuse other servers of unethical behavior. Sausage should establish some real rules that servers have to follow to be on the SLN.

Also why does it feel like your trying to put us all in this little competition?

I mean people can use MULTI-CLIENT and basically cheat any amount of players so why should anyone care. Everyone knows they are bots. Whats the point in using bots why not? There is no policy in the SLN saying what you can and can't do?

I think a major change needs to happen with the SLN cause black listing people who have bots on their server is hypocritical in my opinion what are you going to do if everyone has a few or just a little bots online is this allowed? if it is then specify it somewhere stop hiding all your little rules behind how you feel about it?

Example: If someone has 10 bots on their server not just FE but any server are you going to log in and be the new SLN mod checking servers everyday private messaging people to see if they're bots? legit evidence isn't even gonna be legit anyone could find various ways to fake a screen or fake evidence and get many SLN users banned.

There needs to be a big long rule stating if you can use multi-client to cheat players if you can use bots what ever else to 'cheat players' because this is unfair.

If you want to just reply here and hate on FE get lost. This is crap that everyone cares so much about some bots because everyone seems to only care about the top of the SLN. This is how you sausage and others have made it so competitive and seem to want to keep it that way.

All you're gonna do is cause 100x more conflict.

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@Elevations

You're seriously stupid enough, to say ''they only care about the top of the list of SLN'' which isnt true, all you care is to have your server at the top, knowning BU is the best private server so far yet, and we reached 134 players with no bots, and sadly you need to use bots to reachthathigh.

And about causing conflits, yet there wasnt any conflits till you started using the bots, thats why this whole topic was made to talk about.

And one more thing, they are no trying to put us on competition,what they are doing is giving us a chance so people can see which server has the most players, so they can enjoy more and more, because people does like big communitys, which yours aint, with all those stupid mods, and your sadrulesover shit, your just a hypocrite with no rights to argue about anything.

Its just sad, to think your the best server just because of the bots, and i agree with everything Apollo said.

@Elevations

I agree with Elevations, just because FE is a famous "private server" doesn't mean that they're not aloud to have bots on that server. If a small time server came on and had about 15 bots online, im sure this wouldn't matter, in fact, nothing would arise on the forums about it. So if you all have such a big problem about Elevations having a laugh with the people on his server, then why don't you enforce a rule. What Elevations is doing is against no rule, and shouldn't be worried about. I myself see nothing wrong with it. And also i have seen a server on the SLN list that was an "Untitled Server" and the admin was Addison, and he had all these bots on it called "addy" "adds" "addys" etc.etc. And no problem came up about this, this "Untitled Server came 2nd on the SLN list. This is one of YOUR site administrators Sausage, so why are you pointing something wrong with Elevations, when one of yours is doing or has done the same thing?

Yuko posted: (30th Sep 2010 02:58 am)

@Elevations

You're seriously stupid enough, to say ''they only care about the top of the list of SLN'' which isnt true, all you care is to have your server at the top, knowning BU is the best private server so far yet, and we reached 134 players with no bots, and sadly you need to use bots toreachthathigh.

And about causing conflits, yet there wasnt any conflits till you started using the bots, thats why this whole topic was made to talk about.

And one more thing, they are no trying to put us on competition,what they are doing is giving us a chance so people can see which server has the most players, so they can enjoy more and more, because people does like big communitys, which yours aint, with all those stupid mods, and yoursadrulesover shit, your just a hypocrite with no rights to argue about anything.

Its just sad, to think your the best server just because of the bots, and i agree with everything Apollo said.

Fake Players/Bots even being able to be coded is a PROBLEM and needs to be fixed. I never said my server is the best unless your referring to the advertisement down there plus this has nothing to do with bones. If people figured out how to code these bots it would create a rage between all the servers and who ever is on top of SLN will spike jealousy in every other server unless your too dumb to realize it you should know your the little fags complaining all the way to sausage about it.

Because YOU BU players are so fucked off seeing it this is just proof that the bots cause RAGE and people want to revolt.

The SLN needs to be changed not arranged by players not arranged by anything if best. Why does it need to be a competition oh wait you BU's will say NAH just remove bots and not agree to something that would be fair for everyone?

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elevations posted: (30th Sep 2010 02:39 am)

Before you accuse other servers of unethical behavior. Sausage should establish some real rules that servers have to follow to be on the SLN.

Also why does it feel like your trying to put us all in this little competition?

I mean people can use MULTI-CLIENT and basically cheat any amount of players so why should anyone care. Everyone knows they are bots. Whats the point in using bots why not? There is no policy in the SLN saying what you can and can't do?

I think a major change needs to happen with the SLN cause black listing people who have bots on their server is hypocritical in my opinion what are you going to do if everyone has a few or just a little bots online is this allowed? if it is then specify it somewhere stop hiding all your littlerules behind how you feel about it?

Example: If someone has 10 bots on their server not just FE but any server are you going to log in and be the new SLN mod checking servers everyday private messaging people to see if they're bots? legit evidence isn't even gonna be legit anyone could find various ways to fake a screen or fakeevidence and get many SLN users banned.

There needs to be a big long rule stating if you can use multi-client to cheat players if you can use bots what ever else to 'cheat players' because this is unfair.

If you want to just reply here and hate on FE get lost. This is crap that everyone cares so much about some bots because everyone seems to only care about the top of the SLN. This is how you sausage and others have made it so competitive and seem to want to keep it that way.

All you're gonna do is cause 100x more conflict.

Of course it's a competition. It's a list of servers, ordered by number of players. People will make choices based on the information there. Ideally there would be an actual purpose and not just a list of servers but that's the way it is.

There is a special online list tag that server bots (e.g. Arenabot) should use which excludes them from player counts (icon #20). The issue isn't bots though, but that your server is plain reporting inaccurate information about who is online (Scott's name is on the list when he's not playing, etc.). It's misleading and doing it deliberately doesn't need to be explicitly stated as wrong if you have common sense.

Players using bots is a problem for everyone. Luckily most servers ban them and at least try to remove them. If a server is obviously encouraging people to connect as many times as possibly simply to boost numbers then it's different. Intent plays a pretty big part in law.

elevations posted: (30th Sep 2010 02:39 am)

Before you accuse other servers of unethical behavior. Sausage should establish some real rules that servers have to follow to be on the SLN.

Also why does it feel like your trying to put us all in this little competition?

I mean people can use MULTI-CLIENT and basically cheat any amount of players so why should anyone care. Everyone knows they are bots. Whats the point in using bots why not? There is no policy in the SLN saying what you can and can't do?

I think a major change needs to happen with the SLN cause black listing people who have bots on their server is hypocritical in my opinion what are you going to do if everyone has a few or just a little bots online is this allowed? if it is then specify it somewhere stop hiding all your littlerules behind how you feel about it?

Example: If someone has 10 bots on their server not just FE but any server are you going to log in and be the new SLN mod checking servers everyday private messaging people to see if they're bots? legit evidence isn't even gonna be legit anyone could find various ways to fake a screen or fakeevidence and get many SLN users banned.

There needs to be a big long rule stating if you can use multi-client to cheat players if you can use bots what ever else to 'cheat players' because this is unfair.

If you want to just reply here and hate on FE get lost. This is crap that everyone cares so much about some bots because everyone seems to only care about the top of the SLN. This is how you sausage and others have made it so competitive and seem to want to keep it that way.

All you're gonna do is cause 100x more conflict.

Nothing I have ever posted has been "hating" on a private server. Basically it amounts to one server starting a trend of illegit players being shown on the SLN, which has been an informative tool up to this point, to a "My Server pwns yous guyses" tactic. In any case, you as a server operator have opened a can of worms that most likely other servers will try. What it all boils down to is that you have taken your own server's respected name "Fallen Evolution" and told everyone that your server is full of bots. Honestly, how attractive is that to players knowing that your MMO community is full of idle bots? While you are right in saying that "anyone" can do this, and there "isn't any SLN moderation" to confirm wheather or not the players are legit, you shouldn't resort to childish tactics to make your server look more successful by exploiting a system that was designed to be an informative tool (Wasn't your server name "FE no 1 BU no 2" earlier today?). But no matter, you have shown your loyal players the type of community you run and the only "hating" on Fallen Evolution has been your own. In my opinion, Sausage should just do away with the player counts all together because at this point the relevance of having them in place is little to none.

Nero posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:06 am)

@Elevations

I agree with Elevations, just because FE is a famous "private server" doesn't mean that they're not aloud to have bots on that server. If a small time server came on and had about 15 bots online, im sure this wouldn't matter, in fact, nothing would arise on the forums about it. Soif you all have such a big problem about Elevations having a laugh with the people on his server, then why don't you enforce a rule. What Elevations is doing is against no rule, and shouldn't be worried about. I myself see nothing wrong with it. And also i have seena server on the SLN list that was an "Untitled Server" and the admin was Addison, and he had all these bots on it called "addy" "adds" "addys" etc.etc. And no problem came up about this, this "Untitled Server came 2nd on the SLN list. This is one of YOUR site administrators Sausage, sowhy are you pointing something wrong with Elevations, when one of yours is doing or has done the same thing?

There are at least 5 relatively unknown servers on the blacklist for doing exactly that. One of them is Plasmastar's. If you spot someone abusing it then feel free to tell me next time.

@Sausage

Alright then, sorry for the mis understanding Sausage, but yes if i see something like this again i will be happy to report it to you. :)

Sausage posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:12 am)

Nero posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:06 am)

@Elevations

I agree with Elevations, just because FE is a famous "private server" doesn't mean that they're not aloud to have bots on that server. If a small time server came on and had about 15 bots online, im sure this wouldn't matter, in fact, nothing would arise on the forums about it. Soif you all have such a big problem about Elevations having a laugh with the people on his server, then why don't you enforce a rule. What Elevations is doing is against no rule, and shouldn't be worried about. I myself see nothing wrong with it. And also i have seena server on the SLN list that was an "Untitled Server" and the admin was Addison, and he had all these bots on it called "addy" "adds" "addys" etc.etc. And no problem came up about this, this "Untitled Server came 2nd on the SLN list. This is one of YOUR site administrators Sausage, sowhy are you pointing something wrong with Elevations, when one of yours is doing or has done the same thing?

There are at least 5 relatively unknown servers on the blacklist for doing exactly that. One of them is Plasmastar's. If you spot someone abusing it then feel free to tell me next time.

Why don't you just make rules for the SLN or stop it being ordered by player count because its getting far out of hand for you to control anymore and personally your hardly even controlling it. And now your admitting its a competition and you don't want server conflicts or server wars there's just gonna be more DDOSing, more attacking ,more spam on our websites and other websites,  More harrasement. because YOU sausage wont fix this obvious problem.

SERVERS have been spamming links to FE for over a year and you don't give a shit well everyone else does give a shit! and its starting to show everyone's true colours and why this SLN list shouldn't be a competition like you are admitting it to be one

@Apollo Like BU hasn't made big remarks about FE have you seen what they talk about all day on global no yet you care what we name our SLN name? oh please

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elevations posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:19 am)

Sausage posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:12 am)

Nero posted: (30th Sep 2010 03:06 am)

@Elevations

I agree with Elevations, just because FE is a famous "private server" doesn't mean that they're not aloud to have bots on that server. If a small time server came on and had about 15 bots online, im sure this wouldn't matter, in fact, nothing would arise on the forums about it. Soif you all havesuch a big problem about Elevations having a laugh with the people on his server, then why don't you enforce a rule. What Elevations is doing is against no rule, and shouldn't be worried about. I myself see nothing wrong with it. And also i have seena server on the SLN list that was an "UntitledServer" and the admin was Addison, and he had all these bots on it called "addy" "adds" "addys" etc.etc. And no problem came up about this, this "Untitled Server came 2nd on the SLN list. This is one of YOUR site administrators Sausage, sowhy are you pointing something wrong with Elevations, whenone of yours is doing or has done the same thing?

There are at least 5 relatively unknown servers on the blacklist for doing exactly that. One of them is Plasmastar's. If you spot someone abusing it then feel free to tell me next time.

Why don't you just make rules for the SLN or stop it being ordered by player count because its getting far out of hand for you to control anymore and personally your hardly even controlling it. And now your admitting its a competition and you don't want server conflicts or server wars there's justgonna be more DDOSing, more attacking ,more spam on our websites and other websites,  More harrasement. because YOU sausage wont fix this obvious problem.

SERVERS have been spamming links to FE for over a year and you don't give a shit well everyone else does give a shit! and its starting to show everyone's true colours and why this SLN list shouldn't be a competition like you are admitting it to be one

@Apollo Like BU hasn't made big remarks about FE have you seen what they talk about all day on global no yet you care what we name our SLN name? oh please

I can fix the problem. It's called banning those who can't play fair from using the service.

Yes, I agree, when i used to play BU, i was watching global everyday. And all they were saying was: "FE is crap, why is it even a server" and "Elevations has no idea how to make a private server, all he can do is brag, our serv is best" BU is all about competition really.

@Elevations

Now that Sausage says his gonna do something about it, you just gonna be freaked out asking to do rules, and throwing in sausage's face to fix the glitch, that he must havent found out yet to fix, why dont you fix it and stop complaining thats why you hire coders for your server, even tho noonewanna work with you because of you being so selfish.

And one more thing, im a lvl 3 Admin on BU, and we dont even mention FE anytime of the day, and there is always a little fuckhead spamming FE around on glb or trying to spam WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, You talk like if you were innocent, when all the wrong shit is upon you.

@Nero Idk when you played BU, but i have been playing BU for like 4-5months now, and the times i have counted on seeing them say anything about FE is like 3-4 days.. in 4-5months, its like mention its name and we dont even give a crap about FE really.