Forum :: Lounge :: Legalization of Same Sex Marriages Everywhere?

I think Yes.

Same Sex Couples have the same right as everyone else to be married and to be happy.

what do you think?

Ummm yes.

Not like the rest of the modern world doesn't already recognize it.

Scott posted: (26th Sep 2010 04:07 am)

Ummm yes.

Not like the rest of the modern world doesn't already recognize it.

I don't see why it's wrong, if your happy, and in-love then why not.?

I think that same sex couples deserve the same rights as everyone else. They aren't inhuman. They're still people. It seems like the civil rights movement of the 60s all over again. Constitutionally, EVERYONE is protected. I don't agree with the way things are working right now. It's wrong.

However, just because I believe people deserve rights does not mean I agree with the lifestyle. Just because you want something doesn't make it right. Sure you can get into the little details of 'oh they can't change it' and stuff but my past experience leads me to believe that choice has something to do with a same sex lifestyle.

Also. Religion. I'm going to leave it at the fact that I am submitting to the laws of a higher power that I believe created me and knows better than I do what's best for my life because of love. Love also being a reason I support the marriage of same sex couples, the people just don't tend to have enough unconditional love for others, and it breaks my heart.

I'm tired and realize my argument probably sucks and I made a typo or something but I also realize I suck at all things English or all things that have to do with wording things the best way possible.

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ethanmoffat posted: (26th Sep 2010 08:24 am)

I think that same sex couples deserve the same rights as everyone else. They aren't inhuman. They're still people. It seems like the civil rights movement of the 60s all over again. Constitutionally, EVERYONE is protected. I don't agree with the way things are working right now. It's wrong.

However, just because I believe people deserve rights does not mean I agree with the lifestyle. Just because you want something doesn't make it right. Sure you can get into the little details of 'oh they can't change it' and stuff but my past experience leads me to believe that choicehassomething to do with a same sex lifestyle.

Also. Religion. I'm going to leave it at the fact that I am submitting to the laws of a higher power that I believe created me and knows better than I do what's best for my life because of love. Love also being a reason I support the marriage of same sex couples, the people just don't tendtohave enough unconditional love for others, and it breaks my heart.

I'm tired and realize my argument probably sucks and I made a typo or something but I also realize I suck at all things English or all things that have to do with wording things the best way possible.

Research is pointing toward genetics, not choice, and it's quite interesting actually. For every older brother you have, you have a 33% more likely chance of being gay. Also, homosexuality has been noted in over 1000 species and well documented in over 400.

Scott posted: (26th Sep 2010 01:14 pm)
Research is pointing toward genetics, not choice, and it's quite interesting actually. For every older brother you have, you have a 33% more likely chance of being gay. Also, homosexuality has been noted in over 1000 species and well documented in over 400.

You mean like when rabbits fuck their brothers as they grow? It's not homosexuality, it's mindless drones letting their primary function take over.

I've also heard that small animals like mice and rats can become homosexually active when mentally stressed, I think it's just an instinct like over-cleaning themselves when slightly scared (LOL OCD).

It's not homosexual in my opinion, if a boy rabbit had 1 sister it would hump her instead of the potential brother it had. This is of course though, rabbits, so I'm using a pretty bad example XD

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Klutz posted: (26th Sep 2010 04:00 pm)

Scott posted: (26th Sep 2010 01:14 pm)
Research is pointing toward genetics, not choice, and it's quite interesting actually. For every older brother you have, you have a 33% more likely chance of being gay. Also, homosexuality has been noted in over 1000 species and well documented in over 400.

You mean like when rabbits fuck their brothers as they grow? It's not homosexuality, it's mindless drones letting their primary function take over.

I've also heard that small animals like mice and rats can become homosexually active when mentally stressed, I think it's just an instinct like over-cleaning themselves when slightly scared (LOL OCD).

It's not homosexual in my opinion, if a boy rabbit had 1 sister it would hump her instead of the potential brother it had. This is of course though, rabbits, so I'm using a pretty bad example XD

No. I mean 2 adult animals of the same sex that are not "related". Several species are known to steal chics/eggs and raise them together and remain together throughout their life.

Scott posted: (26th Sep 2010 01:14 pm)

ethanmoffat posted: (26th Sep 2010 08:24 am)

I think that same sex couples deserve the same rights as everyone else. They aren't inhuman. They're still people. It seems like the civil rights movement of the 60s all over again. Constitutionally, EVERYONE is protected. I don't agree with the way things are working right now. It's wrong.

However, just because I believe people deserve rights does not mean I agree with the lifestyle. Just because you want something doesn't make it right. Sure you can get into the little details of 'oh they can't change it' and stuff but my past experience leads me to believe thatchoicehassomethingto do with a same sex lifestyle.

Also. Religion. I'm going to leave it at the fact that I am submitting to the laws of a higher power that I believe created me and knows better than I do what's best for my life because of love. Love also being a reason I support the marriage of same sex couples, the people just don'ttendtohaveenough unconditional love for others, and it breaks my heart.

I'm tired and realize my argument probably sucks and I made a typo or something but I also realize I suck at all things English or all things that have to do with wording things the best way possible.

Research is pointing toward genetics, not choice, and it's quite interesting actually. For every older brother you have, you have a 33% more likely chance of being gay. Also, homosexuality has been noted in over 1000 species and well documented in over 400.

This study was only Correlative, (The older brother one.) There could easily be a third or fourth variable thrown in, just not commented upon, or stated.

For those who don't know what a Correlative study is, it's one that observes the relation between one thing and another. (I.E. as one thing changes, how does the other change. In this case, more brothers changes the percentage of being Homosexual.) But in this study, there are countlesspossibilities of having a thrid unknown variable affecting the outcome.

For instance, a study was done between Ice Cream sold, and Murders/Drowning. As more Ice Cream was sold, the rate of deaths between drowning and murders increased. But, the unknown factor was that it was at very high temperatures. Increased temps enhance aggressive behavior, and eating ice creambefore swimming leads to cramps etc. which lead to drowning.

 

This has gone a little off-topic, but what I'm trying to say is, some studies aren't always correct. Try to take into consideration the other factors of this Brother/Gay example. Consider their age, home life, whether their other brothers or a family member is gay, or something along thoselines.

 

But on-topic, It should be legalized. I agree that it's equal rights, and there is really nothing wrong with it. As long as no one is trying to push their sexuality on me, I could care less.

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Since I'm the only one to say that I'm against it so far, I know that I'm going to receive some crap for this.

I am a Christian and I do not believe that being gay/lesbian is right. I think the whole "I was born this way" thing is crap. I do not think that they should be allowed to get married. To me, it's just not right.

I know my argument doesn't seem very convincing or anything but that's how I feel about it.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying shun the gay people or anything. I myself have friends who are gay. I'm not going to be rude to them in anyway, but I just don't believe that it is right what they are doing.

arna posted: (27th Sep 2010 03:10 am)

Since I'm the only one to say that I'm against it so far, I know that I'm going to receive some crap for this.

I am a Christian and I do not believe that being gay/lesbian is right. I think the whole "I was born this way" thing is crap. I do not think that they should be allowed to get married. To me, it's just not right.

I know my argument doesn't seem very convincing or anything but that's how I feel about it.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying shun the gay people or anything. I myself have friends who are gay. I'm not going to be rude to them in anyway, but I just don't believe that it is right what they are doing.

This topic really isn't about "religious" or "moral" beliefs. Most modern countries have an equivalent of the US Constitution which explicitly prevents the government from discriminating against anyone regardless of whether they are a minority and regardless of whether the majority approves. So essentially you're saying a government should discriminate because of your beliefs?

Oh and in case you didn't know. The part in the bible that says man shall not lay with man also says you shouldn't eat shell fish among other rather silly things.

arna posted: (27th Sep 2010 03:10 am)

Since I'm the only one to say that I'm against it so far, I know that I'm going to receive some crap for this.

I am a Christian and I do not believe that being gay/lesbian is right. I think the whole "I was born this way" thing is crap. I do not think that they should be allowed to get married. To me, it's just not right.

I know my argument doesn't seem very convincing or anything but that's how I feel about it.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying shun the gay people or anything. I myself have friends who are gay. I'm not going to be rude to them in anyway, but I just don't believe that it is right what they are doing.

I can see where you're coming from, but also take into perspective, how does it affect you if they do? I'm not trying to say go against your religion, but what are the negatives?

I agree, it doesn't seem right, but neither does a lot of shit that mankind does. As I said before, as long as they aren't trying to push it onto me/us, it doesn't really make a difference. They can live their lives, as we do ours.

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Oh wow, having an older brother makes you 33% more likely to be gay? Wow. Think of all the thousands of boys around the world who grew up as the youngest of five or six sibling brothers who turned out straight. That's fighting a 160-200% probability. Or some of the farming families ofthe depression era that had a dozen or more kids, almost all of them boys. At that point you're fighting almost 300% probability. 

If you have a 300% genetic disposition to be gay, and AREN'T gay, what do you call that? Oh! I know! Choice.

Also, the "part of the Bible" you so eloquently referred to is actually two very distinct parts. The part about men not having sex with men first shows up in Genesis, with the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah (Sodom being where homosexual sex, or sodomy, came from). The cities were absolutely rife, and were wiped off the face of the earth. You misquoted the second part. The Bible does not forbid eating fish. It does prohibit the eating of shellfish, pigs, and other animals, but those were all largely for ceremonial or sanitary reasons.

Zyrkhan posted: (27th Sep 2010 03:24 am)

Oh wow, having an older brother makes you 33% more likely to be gay? Wow. Think of all the thousands of boys around the world who grew up as the youngest of five or six sibling brothers who turned out straight. That's fighting a 160-200% probability. Or some of the farming families ofthe depression era that had a dozen or more kids, almost all of them boys. At that point you're fighting almost 300% probability. 

If you have a 300% genetic disposition to be gay, and AREN'T gay, what do you call that? Oh! I know! Choice.

Also, a false or misgiven Correlation ;D

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Zyrkhan posted: (27th Sep 2010 03:24 am)

Oh wow, having an older brother makes you 33% more likely to be gay? Wow. Think of all the thousands of boys around the world who grew up as the youngest of five or six sibling brothers who turned out straight. That's fighting a 160-200% probability. Or some of the farming familiesofthe depression era that had a dozen or more kids, almost all of them boys. At that point you're fighting almost 300% probability. 

If you have a 300% genetic disposition to be gay, and AREN'T gay, what do you call that? Oh! I know! Choice.

Apparently this study was in-accurate. However, at the time, it did make sense. I'm not going to rule out this could be accurate but it probably wasn't. For the record, I'm the oldest and only male child in my family so this doesn't apply to me but there are others studies that do suggest it is genetic and not a choice. The scientific community generally goes with genetics and not choice. I suppose one could pretend to be gay just like a gay person can pretend to be straight.

Zyrkhan posted: (27th Sep 2010 03:24 am)

Also, the "part of the Bible" you so eloquently referred to is actually two very distinct parts. The part about men not having sex with men first shows up in Genesis, with the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah (Sodom being where homosexual sex, or sodomy, came from). The cities were absolutely rife,and were wiped off the face of the earth. You misquoted the second part. The Bible does not forbid eating fish. It does prohibit the eating of shellfish, pigs, and other animals, but those were all largely for ceremonial or sanitary reasons.

It is also mentioned in Leviticus and I never said it forbids eating fish, I said shell fish among other things. I am not Christian so I do not read the bible. I only know this from quotes bigots have threw at me.